Pavlovsk, the Palaces

[Vladimir_V.]

he was hiding from his attackers behind the screen.

No, he was not. This story was fabricated by his murderers.

[ArchitectCS]

Good to know!  It was such a fabulous story, it seemed too good to be true.

[Joanna]

The famous railway station / concert hall in Pavlovsk (Vokzal) was indeed destroyed during WWII, ...

A view of the Pavlovsk Vokzal in 1863:
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showChildObjects.do?object=2500243761

Joanna

[ArchitectCS]

I posted a link in the imperial country residence news link about the auction of the chandelier from Pavlovsk.  Any idea if Pavlovsk is going to try and get it back?  That would be amazing!

[Svetabel]

White Dining Room in the Pavlovsk Palace. It became the Study of GD Konstantin K., and how it looked like in his life-time:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Pavlovsk/whitedinpavlkk.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Pavlovsk/whitedinpavlkk1.jpg

You can see a gala portrait in a court dress of GDss Elizaveta, spouse of GD KK, on the wall, at left.

[G.Michael]

The link below includes a postcard, supposedly showing GD Constantine's "cabinet" at Pavlovsk. But the room doesn't seem to match anything on the floor plans.

Any idea where this room was located? Or perhaps the room is misidentified?

http://www.knigaplus.ru/sale/lot/20492/

[xirbis]

Note though that the card  identifies the room as Study ("Cabinet") of GD Constantine Nickolaevich, not Constantine Constantinovich...KN but not KK. Most likely (or how it looks to me) this is GD KN' (KK's father) "cabinet" in Strelna Palace (Konstantinovski Palace) XXX

[xirbis]

CORRECTION !!
my bad - sorry for the confusion - yes the card shows Pavlovsk, not Strelna. There is no mistake or typo. The Cabinet/Study of GD K.N. was also called the Grand Dining Room. It WAS (!) located on the Ground Floor of the main building of the Palace. Originally (late 18th century - to somewhere circa mid 19th century) there were TWO rooms there, designed by Cameron and then "touched up" by Voronikhin - DRAWING ROOM and DANCE HALL (ROOM)....then somewhere in the XIX c these two rooms were combined in ONE - GRAND DINING ROOM which was PROBABLY AKA GD K.N.'s Cabinet/Study. I believe that is what we see on the postcard.
Now the most interesting part. After the 2d WW, during the Palace Restoration it was decided to re-create the original Cameron's design...hence there are  TWO ROOMS again - Dance Room and Old Drawing Room. They can be easily located on the present-day Floor Plan/ Just have a look. Remove (in your imagination) the dividing wall between these two room and - SURPRISE ! - you will see how the "postcard" room could easily fit into the enlarged space.
Hope that was of some help ...

[Russian Art Lover]

I wonder if any Pavlovsk Palace experts can help me. I read in an Italian source that Pietro di Gottardo Gonzaga built a chamber theatre for Maria Fyodorovna.

Original: Nel 1814 il Gonzaga costruì il teatro da camera per Marija Fëdorovna.

http://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/pietro-gonzaga_%28Dizionario-Biografico%29/

Unfortunately, that is all the information that it gives. I presume that this would be at Pavlovsk Palace - can anyone confirm it?? I don't have my own Pavlovsk books at hand at the moment...

[G.Michael]

CORRECTION !!
my bad - sorry for the confusion - yes the card shows Pavlovsk, not Strelna. There is no mistake or typo. The Cabinet/Study of GD K.N. was also called the Grand Dining Room. It WAS (!) located on the Ground Floor of the main building of the Palace. Originally (late 18th century - to somewhere circa mid 19th century) there were TWO rooms there, designed by Cameron and then "touched up" by Voronikhin - DRAWING ROOM and DANCE HALL (ROOM)....then somewhere in the XIX c these two rooms were combined in ONE - GRAND DINING ROOM which was PROBABLY AKA GD K.N.'s Cabinet/Study. I believe that is what we see on the postcard.
Now the most interesting part. After the 2d WW, during the Palace Restoration it was decided to re-create the original Cameron's design...hence there are  TWO ROOMS again - Dance Room and Old Drawing Room. They can be easily located on the present-day Floor Plan/ Just have a look. Remove (in your imagination) the dividing wall between these two room and - SURPRISE ! - you will see how the "postcard" room could easily fit into the enlarged space.
Hope that was of some help ...

Excellent! You are right, of course. I had read that the two rooms were once combined, and it's nice to see how it looked. But I have to say the restorers were right to put it back to the way it is now.

On another topic, has anyone ever seen the circular room in the center of the ground floor, beneath the Italian Hall? On the postcard mentioned above, you can see a doorway leading into that room, which doesn't have any windows of it's own.

[G.Michael]

To "Russian Art Lover":

Suzanne Massie's book mentions that Gonzaga built a ballroom attached to the Rose Pavilion, and that he converted all four facades of the pavilion into "theater stages." This was done to celebrate Alexander I's return to Pavlovsk after his victory over Napoleon.

I don't know if this could be what your Italian source is referring to.

[Russian Art Lover]

Thank you for that information. The source mentions in another place about the return of Alexander I (as you will see, the last two words mean Rose Pavilion):

Lavori di progettazione, di ristrutturazione e di allestimento di spettacoli a opera del G. proseguirono a Pavlovsk per tutto il periodo che vide la fertile intesa con Marija Fëdorovna; si ricordano, in particolare, i festeggiamenti del 1814 in onore dello zar Alessandro I vincitore di Napoleone, per i quali il G. mise in scena, tra l'altro, Il cosacco poeta, il ballo Il trionfo della Russia, ossia i Russi a Parigi di I.I. Valberch, O. Poirot, K.A. Kavos e allestì il padiglione rosa.

But I do think that maybe the source is getting confused and this is what it means. I do not think Suzanne Massie would have missed a whole separate theatre (albeit chamber) if this had been constructed. So I would tend to go along with your suggestion - thank you!

[G.Michael]

This link includes a drawing that is said to be Charles Cameron's design for the "large cabinet." I assume the design was never carried out, or at least it doesn't exist in this form now. But can someone tell me where the "large cabinet" was meant to be? Perhaps the Library of Paul I, which was eventually finished by Brenna and Voronikhin?

http://www.superstock.com/preview.asp?image=4266-21863&imagex=62&id=18650413&productType=3&pageStart=0&pageEnd=100&pixperpage=100&hitCount=106&filterForCat=&filterForFotog=

[Alexandre Mikhaelovitch]

Pavlovsk palace period room " Art Nouveau " , with furnitures come from Alexander palace , Lower datcha of Peterhof , privates rooms of the Winter palace and Livadia palace :

(The tiger is now in the Alexander palace's billiart hall , isn't it ?)

[londo954]

I believe you could be right ... their was a polar bear in the Maple room.... Also I believe the white statue in the corner is also from the Maple Room (middle pic)