Pavlovsk, the Palaces

[gleb]

So, just to recap:

K. Nikolaevitch lived in the old little woodden palace, while his son K. Konstantinovitch and his family lived in great palace of Pavel I.

What about A. Iosifovna? In the little palace till her death?

Do you have any idea where K. Konstantinovitch and family lived exactly? I think on the ground floor, but it is just an idea.

[Svetabel]

What about A. Iosifovna? In the little palace till her death?

Do you have any idea where K. Konstantinovitch and family lived exactly? I think on the ground floor, but it is just an idea.

You are right - the family of KR lived on the ground floor. GDss Alexandra Iosifovna had her own apartments in the palace.

[hikaru]

I think that the family also lived in the third floor.

[gleb]

I think that the family also lived in the third floor.

Maybe the children, I don't know about their parents.

[Vassili_Vorontsoff]

Gleb,

Your pics are so marvelous!
I'm a bit desperate to see that all those interestings books are so cheap,unfortunatly I think I'll wait so more to buy it...

What about the wooden palACE that jda also talked abour,when did it disappeared?Does some plan of reconstruction have been made?

Vassili

[hikaru]

 I visited Pawlovsk last Sunday. In the round Italian Hall (Dining Room), I have found  very beatiful blue covers with yellow/black embroidery on the small pouff (small chair without back).
There was the written explanation that those covers was made with the support of the Queen of Iordania and Suzanne Massie.

[G.Michael]

Reading through all three pages of this thread, I see that people were living in the palace as late as 1915. And yet, someone also says that the main block of the palace was mostly left as it was in the early 1800s.

Did the more recent residents live in the wings? Surely the palace was renovated or "modernized" to make it appropriate for a 20th century lifestyle. For example, bathrooms must have been added. Does anyone know where the bathrooms were or are located? Or what other changes were necessary to keep the palace livable through the years.

Also, while looking at the AlexanderPalace.org's pages on Pavlovsk, I noticed that the "floor plan" link is broken. I would be very grateful if someone could post the plans. I have been able to find only very low resolution plans or highly inaccurate ones.

[Vassili_Vorontsoff]

Pavilion of roses deisgned by Voronikhin and restored in  2003,I've just fallen on this pic .

[dmitri]

Yes it is extraordinarily beautiful. If you get a chance to see the couple of episodes on St.Petersburg in the television series entitled, Classical Destinations you will see inside the concert hall and hear some wonderful russian performers.

[Vassili_Vorontsoff]

It is to be planned for my trip,probably next year!

V;

[G.Michael]

For those who might be interested . . .

Here's a link to a page that includes a floor plan of the state rooms as originally designed by Cameron. You'll notice that the Tapestry Study and Maria's library don't yet have their curved walls, the Greek Hall is lacking columns and Maria's dressing room is oval shaped just like Paul's, not yet altered to allow better access to the Gallery, which hadn't been built yet. This page also includes the first drawing that I've ever seen showing the way the original one-story wings looked.

http://rusarh.ru/vpavlovske.htm

I would be grateful if anyone could post or link to floor plans of the completed palace, after Brenna's additions. The ground floor would also be thrilling to see.

[G.Michael]

I recently found this link, which includes a plan of the palace as it stands today. As far as I can tell, the only major difference would be the addition of the restaurant beneath the old "Throne Room."

Most exciting, this is the first time I've seen a plan of the top floor.

http://www.pavlovskmuseum.ru/for_visitors/palace_plane/

[Luc]

There are a lot of pictures of Pavlovsk on this link:
http://www.alexanderpalace.org/pavlovsk/history.html

Enjoy 

[Geglov2-3]

Испанец сверяет место обелиска времён 2-й Мировой войны.
The Spaniard verifies a place of an obelisk of times of 2-nd World war.




Обломки обелиска.
Fragments of an obelisk.

[ArchitectCS]

Can someone please confirm/deny something for me?  I had heard that the fire screen in the study of Paul I at Pavlovsk was involved in his assassination at the Mikhailovsky Castle.  What I remember is that he was hiding from his attackers behind the screen, it got knocked over and Paul was murdered (I thought he was stabbed to death, but I'm finding varying accounts on line).  Is this the very fire screen?  I know that the picture on it is cracked-is this a relic of the assassination attempt?  Also, I heard that Maria Feodorovna painted the picture on it-is this true?  I've attached a link to a page with a picture:

http://www.alexanderpalace.org/Pavlovsk/paullibrary.html

I am teaching a class of 7th graders about Renaissance art on Friday, but I wanted to stress the importance of art as history itself and I thought the fire screen was a great example, providing I have all my facts straight.  Thanks!