Author Topic: The Chinese Theatre, Tsarskoe Selo  (Read 47864 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline ChristineM

  • Velikye Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 2882
    • View Profile
The Chinese Theatre, Tsarskoe Selo
« on: October 10, 2004, 07:27:15 AM »
Dear Goula

Please tell me where you found this photograph of the interior of the Chinese Theatre, Tsarskoe Selo.   I have seen all the interior (and exterior) photographs in the archives of Tsarskoe Selo Museums and Pavlovsk, and I do not recall seeing this one.

Thanks

tsaria

Offline Antonio_P.Caballer

  • Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 533
    • View Profile
Re: The Chinese Theatre, Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2004, 10:04:33 AM »
Hello Tsaria,

This photograph i´ve seen in the book "Arkhitektura Goroda Pushkina", by Braunshtein(?). It was sold a few days ago in ebay.

Offline Vladimir_V.

  • Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 589
    • View Profile
Re: The Chinese Theatre, Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2004, 03:24:42 AM »
Bronstein S.S. Architecture of the Town of Pushkin. Moscow, 1940. 202 pages. (in Russian)  The work was issued in an edition limited 4000 copies.

There is a list of the literature about Tzarskoje Selo/Detskoje Selo/Pushkin (not complete) on the official website of The State Museum of Tzarskoje Selo: http://eng.tzar.ru/research/bibliography
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Vladimir_V. »

covenant

  • Guest
Re: The Chinese Theatre, Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2007, 09:59:36 PM »
As i've just about finished the Alexander Palace, i'm making a start on the Alexander Park's Chinese
Theatre- as I can't seem to find much material on the internet I was wondering if anyone had any photographs
and/or architectural plans/layouts. If you can help me out please send an e-mail to alexander@romanovdynasty.com

When I was in Tsarskoye Selo last month I managed to take over 500 photographs and 16 videos of
the Chinese Theatre's interior and exterior in it's current state, though I got my right arm bitten
by a fairly large husky dog in the process!



Many thanks!

Arleen_Ristau

  • Guest
Re: The Chinese Theatre, Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2007, 02:34:58 PM »
Covenant, could you please share some of your photographs of the Chinese Theater ruins with us here?

What an interesting quest you are on.....wish I could help but alas...I have no chance of going to Russia.  Sorry about your dog bite!

Arleen

Offline Reco

  • Graf
  • ***
  • Posts: 453
  • I love YaBB 1G - SP1!
    • View Profile
Re: The Chinese Theatre, Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2007, 10:28:00 PM »

I think that somebody (brnbg aka: Liljones1968?) posts plan someplace

Reco

covenant

  • Guest
Re: The Chinese Theatre, Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2007, 12:36:31 PM »
I found a link to those but unfortunately the images are no longer online.  :(

covenant

  • Guest
Re: The Chinese Theatre, Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2007, 02:37:28 PM »
Many thanks for the great photographs and plans you people have e-mailed to me! The model is coming along quite nicely for the launch of the site.
Here are some photographs of the Theatre I took in July, please note that some of the captions are in-correct and basic ready for me to go through
for the final copy; when I upload them to romanovdynasty.com again there will be 40 new photographs.

http://www.romanovdynasty.com/swf/chinese1.swf (make the window you view in roughly 640x480 pixels otherwise the photo will look strange)

Offline ChristineM

  • Velikye Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 2882
    • View Profile
Re: The Chinese Theatre, Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2007, 04:37:45 AM »
Thank you, Covenant, for those amazing photographs.   I love the Chinese Theatre - even as a ruin.   I think I prefer to try to recall how it was rather than see it 'restored' - rather rebuilt - in the fashion of the Chinese Village.   I also love the pagoda-shaped trees which surround the building.   This all looks even more effective in winter when thick with snow.   

It is fascinating to see the Chinese ornament in the ironwork.   I know the lamp-posts, but have never had the courage to even attempt to go inside the crumbling building.   You certainly were brave and I trust wore a hard hat!

tsaria

PS:  They do have some materials from the interior of the Chinese Theatre in the Catherine Palace archive.   Some of it may be on display in a general set of artifacts, but certainly not all of it.

Arleen_Ristau

  • Guest
Re: The Chinese Theatre, Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2007, 07:21:05 PM »
I can see that you took your life in you hands Covenant, to take some of these wonderful photos.

 BRAVO!

Arleen

covenant

  • Guest
Re: The Chinese Theatre, Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2007, 04:36:39 PM »
Thanks for the comments tsaria and Arleen, they're much appreciated! It was quite bad in the Chinese Theatre, it's sorta okay if you don't mind getting dirty, risking bites (from dogs and flies), falling through sinking floors.. It's quite a horrible filthy place inside, it seems alot of the local children/teenagers go there to drink .etc

On that lamp-post there appears to be bullet holes which is quite interesting. I have to say the Chinese Theatre is probably the building I find most fascinating in Alexander Park!

Here's a video that I made when walking around inside the Theatre-

http://www.romanovdynasty.com/downloads/video/chinesetheatre1.wmv

I never walked around the first floor area because the ceiling/floor is literally sinking down and could collapse if aggravated.

Hope you all enjoy!

covenant

  • Guest
Re: The Chinese Theatre, Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2007, 06:58:07 PM »

Offline ChristineM

  • Velikye Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 2882
    • View Profile
Re: The Chinese Theatre, Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2007, 04:45:49 AM »
Well, Covenant, what can I say?   That was fantastic to watch.   How I envy you.   I did not have the guts to go inside there.   The graffiti has been 'created' not so much by the youth of Pushkin, but by the disaffected conscripts from the nearby barracks.    This is why it could be dangerous to walk deep into the parks at night.   I was interested to see the use of the Latin alphabet!   I really enjoyed imagining the drawing rooms, the auditorium, the loges, the stage, backstage and etc.   To see the site where the first Nazi shell struck in Pushkin was amazing.   Kuchumov, if I recall, likened the destruction of the Chinese Theatre to the loss of a magical box.

I am fascinated by the Chinese Theatre.   Perhaps this is because it is a place where one's imagination can run rampant.    It is Tamara Karsavina's Odette/Odile which immediately springs to mind.   But why are you more fascinated by this building than by, say, the Arsenal, the Chapelle, even the White Tower.    I have climbed over many of the other ruins like the Llama Pavilion - none as daunting as any of the foresaid.   I have also had the good fortune to explore the Refectory and Yesinin's Tower in the Feodorovsky Gorodok.   Although dangerous, neither seems to have the impression of potential immediate collapse as does the Chinese Theatre.

I believe your film is a very important piece of documentation.   I will be fascinated to see where you take it from here.

tsaria

Arleen_Ristau

  • Guest
Re: The Chinese Theatre, Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2007, 07:02:11 PM »
That was the most interesting video I've seen in a long while Covenant, thank you so much for posting it.  It was really spooky in places and when your shadow appears in a doorway for just a second I jumped.  I kept expecting you to meet a haint!  Your footsteps just added everything to it.

Isn't it a terrible shame such a lovely building is in such ruins....It is larger than I expected it to be.  The high walls seem like they could fall at any minute, one wonders how they have stood for so long.  Glad you survived!

Arleen

covenant

  • Guest
Re: The Chinese Theatre, Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2007, 06:54:05 PM »
Thanks for the great replies tsaria and Arleen! To be honest, the last time I went in there I got a really bad feeling (aside from the bite) and not sure if I want to go back in on my own again. Also I remember there being human feces in one of the rooms, I guess it makes sense now with you saying the characters from the local barracks going about these places at night. It's a much more sadder story now learning that, I wish I could buy the theatre now and lock it up from people like that.
To be honest, the chinese theatre is huge compared to what it looks like in photographs- I thought that of the Alexander Palace too, looking at the photographs I thought it was much smaller but when you're there it's huge!

That lamp post next to the chinese theatre has bullet holes in the metal by the way, it seems there been gun fire here before! Also, is that concrete in the theatre from ww2 or something? It reminded me of a german bunker or such.

For RomanovDynasty.com I have some more videos of around the Chinese Theatre, the Arsenal, The Alexander Palace Interior/Exterior and a few more of various places.