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Re: Ella's grave in Jerusalem & her relics
« Reply #90 on: December 31, 2004, 03:29:29 PM »
You're never impertinent Martin!  :)  I am a Roman Catholic rather than a Greek Orthodox but the ritual for sainthood seems to be at least similar. I DO believe that some higher power renders some of these bodies incorrupt for some special purpose. I've seen some of the preserved bodies of saints when I lived in Europe and heard of others as well as what can only be described as miracles attached to them. Far be it from me to wonder why but until I conclusively find out differently I do believe in both saints and miracles. I even have what I consider a miracle attributed to prayer to a certain saint at a difficult period in my life. If all of this is true, I can believe there was  a reason for Ella's body to remain incorrupt as far as it did.
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« Reply #91 on: January 01, 2005, 03:21:46 AM »
I agree with you entirely, grandduchessella. The idea that she had sufferedinjuries but her body was unaffected by normal decomposition sounds very likely too. It seems to me that the the incorruption of her physical body was a manifestation of her deeper spiritual (and incorruptible) beauty. I too believe in miracles & the intercession of saints. Happy New Year!

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« Reply #92 on: January 01, 2005, 07:19:26 AM »
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You're never impertinent Martin!  :)  I am a Roman Catholic rather than a Greek Orthodox but the ritual for sainthood seems to be at least similar. I DO believe that some higher power renders some of these bodies incorrupt for some special purpose. I've seen some of the preserved bodies of saints when I lived in Europe and heard of others as well as what can only be described as miracles attached to them. Far be it from me to wonder why but until I conclusively find out differently I do believe in both saints and miracles. I even have what I consider a miracle attributed to prayer to a certain saint at a difficult period in my life. If all of this is true, I can believe there was  a reason for Ella's body to remain incorrupt as far as it did.


Thank you for your frank and open response to my question GDElla.  I was worried after asking the question that perhaps I had been wrong in asking what your personal views on this issue were.  Thank you for taking the trouble to reveal and explain them.
I was raised in the Anglican faith (High Church, so as close to catholicism as one can be and yet remain a Protestant), so this issue has some resonance for me too.  Education and exposure to the World at large leads one to question one's faith and to be perfectly honest, I'm not really sure what my faith is any longer.  I do however admire people who maintain their  faith and religious scruples.
I am of the honest opinion that there is too much in life that defies a scientific or logical explanation; this issue is quite possibly one of them.
I do think that if ever anyone was qualified to the nomenclature of saint, then Ella arguably has those qualifications.......
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Re: Ella's grave in Jerusalem & her relics
« Reply #93 on: February 15, 2005, 09:29:10 PM »
2005-02-13 17:40     * RUSSIA * RELIGION * FEAST * NEW MARTYRS * RELICS *
RELICS OF GRAND DUCHESS YELIZAVETA FYODOROVNA DELIVERED TO TULA


MOSCOW, February 13 (RIA Novosti, Olga Lipich) - On Sunday, when the Russian Orthodox Church marks the feast in commemoration of new martyrs and confessors of Russia, the relics of Grand Duchess Yelizaveta Fyodorovna and Sister Varvara were delivered to Tula.

RIA Novosti was told about this in the Andrew the Protokletos Fund, which initiated an unprecedented procession with a cross along the dioceses of the Russian Orthodox Church with the remains of the Alapayevsk martyrs which have been kept since 1921 in the monastery of the Russian Orthodox Church in Jerusalem.

From the railway station, the big ark with the relics where the right hand of Yelizaveta Fyodorovna was brought to the All Saints Cathedral of Tula, where the shrine was welcomed by over 1,000 believers led by Archbishop of Tula and Belev Alexy.

"Today, when the entire Russian Orthodox Church commemorates the new martyrs and confessors that shone in the Russian land we are meeting the relics of Grand Duchess Yelizaveta Fyodorovna and Sr. Varvara, who through their feat showed the victory of the life of Christ over death," said Archbishop Alexy.

In his words, repentance and prayers to the new martyrs of Russia (including Grand Duchess Yelizaveta and her associate Varvara) will help overcome the split of the Russian Church, which happened after the 1917 revolution and the establishment of godless authority.

"At last our people, united in blood and spirit, have come to realize that we should not divide," said the archbishop.

Representative of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia, Bishop of Boston Mikhail, who accompanies the relics in their many-month travel in Russia, the CIS and Baltic countries, underlined that "the bringing of relics is an invisible thread that unites the two branches of the Russian Church."

Archbishop Alexy held a divine service before the shrine in Tula's Cathedral. The big ark with the relics will be open for veneration until late February 14.

The small ark (made of the planks of coffins where the remains of the martyrs were delivered in 1920s from China to Egypt, and then to the Holy Land) will visit the Tula region towns of Bogoroditsk, Novomoskovsk, Donskoi and Uzlovaya.

On Monday the relics will leave the Tula region and will then be brought to Lipetsk.

Grand Duchess Yelizaveta Fyodorovna, after the death of Grand Duke Sergei Alexandrovich at the hand of terrorist Kalyayev in 1905, founded the well-known Marfo-Mariinskaya cloister and worked there together with sisters, looking after the sick and helping the poor.

After the revolution she refused to leave Russia and was arrested in spring 1918. On July 18, the grand duchess and her associate Sr. Varvara were thrown down alive into the Nizhne-Selimskaya Pit near the town of Alapayevsk.

The Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia recognized Yelizaveta Fyodorovna and Varvara martyrs in 1981. They were canonized as saints of the Russian Orthodox Church in 1992.


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« Reply #94 on: March 05, 2005, 07:04:14 PM »
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From Zoia Belyakova's book, "The Romanovs. The way it was", Saint Petersburg, Ego Publishers, 2000, page 105:

"... the Will & Testament of Grand Duchess Elizabeth, testifying her sole wish, was authorized by the Emperor, and dated June 4th, 1911: "I request that I be buried in a crypt... of the Church of Our Lady's Shrine which I built on my own land property, in Bolshaya Ordynka Street, Moscow, at the Community of Mercy. A special place has already been arranged, and it is known to Father Mitrophani and Mother Superior." Elizabeth specifies the feature of entombment in great detail. Her Will ended with a request that wreathes should not be lain on the tomb, nor on the catafalque, nor on her grave. instead, the money would be better used if offered for the Community's needs."


Has this happened now?

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« Reply #95 on: March 06, 2005, 10:35:02 AM »
Does anyone know where Fr. Mitrophan is buried, please? And, wherever it is, was there a place for him to buried in the House of Martha & Mary? If so, are there any plans to return his body there? Is he a saint in the Orthodox Church?
Please?  :)

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« Reply #96 on: March 06, 2005, 05:29:27 PM »
Thank you, Elisa. Please do ask your friend. He surely deserves to have been.  :)

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« Reply #97 on: March 06, 2005, 08:32:33 PM »
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Hi bluetoria :)

According to Christopher Warwick, who is writing a book on Grand Duchess Ella,


This made my ears perk up! Is this a regular, full-length bio and do you know how far along it is? Our cups are running over--Ilana's book on VMH, Greg King's on Ernie and now and Ella bio!  :)
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« Reply #98 on: March 06, 2005, 08:46:15 PM »
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Is this a regular, full-length bio and do you know how far along it is?


Yes, it will be Ella's full length bio and it will be coming out next summer  :).

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Re: Ella's grave in Jerusalem & her relics
« Reply #99 on: March 06, 2005, 10:44:30 PM »
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Yes, it will be Ella's full length bio and it will be coming out next summer  :).


good news--full-length bio  :D
bad news--over a year away  :(

Do you know if there's going to be anything substantively different from Magers or if there was access to previously untapped resources? (Sorry to be so nosy but Ella IS my favorite.  :) ) I've read him before and he's a good author. I hope it'll be a really in-depth look at Ella, especially her early life as that tends to be rushed by to get to her life as a nun. I'd like to get a really 'whole-picture' look.
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« Reply #100 on: March 07, 2005, 10:30:32 PM »
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Do you know if there's going to be anything substantively different from Magers or if there was access to previously untapped resources? (Sorry to be so nosy but Ella IS my favorite.  :) ) I've read him before and he's a good author. I hope it'll be a really in-depth look at Ella, especially her early life as that tends to be rushed by to get to her life as a nun. I'd like to get a really 'whole-picture' look.


I think that this book will be very different from Mager's, with a more in-depth look at Ella as a person, and will cover Ella's early life, not just her life as a nun.
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« Reply #101 on: March 08, 2005, 01:04:53 PM »
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It is to be published by Weidenfeld & Nicolson in June 2006. He is said to have access to archives which had previously been untapped.


Bluetoria, may I ask where you got this info about the publisher? I asked Chris Warwick about it personally, and he said that the upcoming Ella book is not being published by W&N, although he did have several others published by them in the past. Right now there is no definite publishing date for the book, only that it will be around the summer of 2006.

And GDElla, he said that his intention for this biography  is to take a look at Ella's whole life, not simply at the "post Serge's death" period. So I think that you will not be dissapointed!  :)

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Re: Ella's grave in Jerusalem & her relics
« Reply #102 on: March 08, 2005, 03:21:55 PM »
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Right now there is no definite publishing date for the book, only that it will be around the summer of 2006.
And GDElla, he said that his intention for this biography  is to take a look at Ella's whole life, not simply at the "post Serge's death" period. So I think that you will not be dissapointed!  :)


No, indeed! I'm REALLY looking forward to it. The only disappointment is that it's still so far off.  :(
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« Reply #103 on: March 08, 2005, 04:43:53 PM »
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Helen, I was told this several months ago by an editor at W & N after they had lost a manuscript (after 9 months) of another book which they'd previously said they had of mine. I mentioned Ella & that is what I was told. Theeditor also said that another editor had recently changed publishers....I am so used to being misled & lied to by publishers that it doesn't surprise me at all that the info is wrong & I shall remove my previous post & this one as soon as you have read it!  


Thanks, Bluetoria. That certainly sounds like a bummer.

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« Reply #104 on: March 08, 2005, 04:45:43 PM »
I'm glad he's not gone with W & N - it would have choked me to buy it!  ;)