Princess Luise zu Hohenlohe-Oehringen (1867-1945)

[Eutropius]

The Electoral line of the Hessen-Kassels seems to have had more than it's fair share of marital shenanigans. The last Elector comes off as quite greedy and tyrannical.  His behavior towards his subjects and his mother are quite appalling.  His wife, Princess Hanau seems to been more than a little mercenary.  I can't help but feel a little sorry for the Hanau offspring.  They might have been perfectly decent princes, but their parents' behavior and their ill-gotten wealth may have have made them a bit unpopular.  I wonder if they are involved in aristocratic circles today?

[Marc]

Well,one can see that Fürst Karl Heinrich von Hanau who died in 1998 and his 2 still living brothers were all married to noblewoman.The Fürst was married to Countess Antonia Strachwitz von Gross-Zauche und Camminetz and his brothers Leopold and Friedrich to Baroness Alice von Loudon and Maria von Kossaczky.Franziska,the daughter of the Fürst Karl Heinrich is also married to Count Strachwitz while Prince Leopold's children with Alice von Loudon also married nobles:Prince Heinrich married Bianca von Rebenburg and Princess Friederike married Ritter Mautner von Markhof.

So,by this I assume some of them still living mingle with nobles and similar social circles...

[Eutropius]

You're right Marc.  They must be, if they are making those marriages. I just have never read a word about them or seen a photograph of any member of the family.  But perhaps I haven't really looked that hard.

[Rani]

Really bad quality

[Marc]

Well,better than nothing..thnx Rani!

[Danjel]

I've tried to enhance the picture a bit......

[Eutropius]

Sorry to bump an old and obscure topic, but I was looking through wedding announcements from The Times I found the marriage of Princess Luise's son Vernon.  I can't help myself but post it, because it contains some (purposeful?) misinformation.  The wedding took place during WWII.

The Times, Monday, Mar 29, 1943; pg. 6; Issue 49506; col B
Mr. W. V. Hope-Johnstone and Miss Cobbold
"The marriage took place on Saturday ... of Mr. William Vernon Hope-Johnstone, Grenadier Guards, only son of Mr. and Mrs. V. W. Hope-Johnstone, of Potchefstroom, South Africa..."

I could be wrong, but I wonder if the reason why he's listed as the son of a couple entirely different from his own parents, is the fact that his parents were divorced and his mother was German.  Perhaps he was adopted, but I wonder if some familial "whitewashing" was happening?  I imagine this might also have happened frequently during the war for anyone with foreign (adversarial) kin.

[allanraymond]

I am curious about Princess (Marie) Luise zu Hohenlohe-Oehringen (1867-1945).  She seems to have had an interesting life!

She was daughter of Prince Felix zu Hohenlohe-Oehringen (1818-1900) and his wife, Princess Alexandrine von Hanau (1830-1871), daughter of Friedrich Wilhelm, Elector of Hessen.  Luise was first married in 1886 to a much older widower, Prince Albrecht zu Waldeck und Pyrmont (1841-1897), who had children by his first marriage.  They had three children together, 2 of whom died in infancy, and one son, Prince Karl Alexander who met an untimely death at the age of 19 in 1910.  Based on her children and first husband's death birth and death information, I would imagine they lived primarily in Germany.  I wonder why her son Karl Alexander died?  Were there genetic issues involved with the deaths of their children? 

Somewhere around September (I'm guessing) of 1913 (at the age of 46!), she became pregnant again.  In December of 1913, she married the 33 year old George Granville Hope-Johnstone in Vierfontein, South Africa.  He was from an aristocratic Scottish noble family (who today are the Clan Chiefs of Clan Johnstone and the Earls of Annandale and Hartfell in the peerage of Scotland).  According to The Peerage website, he lived in Johannesburg, South Africa.  In June 1914, right as WWI was beginning, she gave birth to a son in Serfontein, South Africa, who was named William Augustus Ludwig Vernon Alexander Hope-Johnstone.  He was known as Vernon.  Sometime in 1915, Luise and George divorced.  I wonder where Luise and George met?  I wonder why they divorced?  Was it merely a marriage of temporary convenience or did WWI tear them apart?  I wonder where their son was raised and who had custody of him?

George died in 1938 in Nottingham, England.  Luise died in 1945 outside of Munich, Germany.  This means that they both left South Africa.  Their son Vernon Hope-Johnstone (1914-1993), went on to serve in the British military during WWII and was a Major-General in the Grenadier Guards.  He married the niece of the 10th Duke of Devonshire and has surviving issue.

In the interesting posting it mentions George Granville Hope-Johnstone died in 1938 in Nottingham, England. The On-Line Gotha at: http://www.angelfire.com/realm/gotha/gotha/hohenlohe.html  mentions he died in Africa in the 1950s.
I haven't located a death registration for George in the England and Wales GRO Index suggesting that he didn't die in Nottingham. Is anyone able to give a more definitive date and location regarding the death of George?

[Alexander1917]

I am curious about Princess (Marie) Luise zu Hohenlohe-Oehringen (1867-1945).  She seems to have had an interesting life!

She was daughter of Prince Felix zu Hohenlohe-Oehringen (1818-1900) and his wife, Princess Alexandrine von Hanau (1830-1871), daughter of Friedrich Wilhelm, Elector of Hessen.  Luise was first married in 1886 to a much older widower, Prince Albrecht zu Waldeck und Pyrmont (1841-1897), who had children by his first marriage.  They had three children together, 2 of whom died in infancy, and one son, Prince Karl Alexander who met an untimely death at the age of 19 in 1910.  Based on her children and first husband's death birth and death information, I would imagine they lived primarily in Germany.  I wonder why her son Karl Alexander died?  Were there genetic issues involved with the deaths of their children? 

Somewhere around September (I'm guessing) of 1913 (at the age of 46!), she became pregnant again.  In December of 1913, she married the 33 year old George Granville Hope-Johnstone in Vierfontein, South Africa.  He was from an aristocratic Scottish noble family (who today are the Clan Chiefs of Clan Johnstone and the Earls of Annandale and Hartfell in the peerage of Scotland).  According to The Peerage website, he lived in Johannesburg, South Africa.  In June 1914, right as WWI was beginning, she gave birth to a son in Serfontein, South Africa, who was named William Augustus Ludwig Vernon Alexander Hope-Johnstone.  He was known as Vernon.  Sometime in 1915, Luise and George divorced.  I wonder where Luise and George met?  I wonder why they divorced?  Was it merely a marriage of temporary convenience or did WWI tear them apart?  I wonder where their son was raised and who had custody of him?

George died in 1938 in Nottingham, England.  Luise died in 1945 outside of Munich, Germany.  This means that they both left South Africa.  Their son Vernon Hope-Johnstone (1914-1993), went on to serve in the British military during WWII and was a Major-General in the Grenadier Guards.  He married the niece of the 10th Duke of Devonshire and has surviving issue.

I wonder what his relationship was like with his mother?  Were they estranged when she died in 1945?  It seems like Princess Luise had an interesting and often tragic life.  At 43, she had outlived her husband and all of her children.  She then moves to South Africa, marries again, and has another son, only to be torn from him by war....   I wonder how her family and her first husband's family reacted to her remarriage?

Here is an article from the New York Times, that mentions George Granville Hope-Johnstone....   I wonder if this is the same man?

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9B00E6DE153FE633A25756C2A9609C946296D6CF

I wonder if anyone has any other information about Luise and her life?  Does anyone else find this story intriguing?  Please correct any information that I've gotten wrong.

Karl Alexander died aged 19 in 1910 in Dresden, and is buried at the Johannisfriedhof. there was a newspaper article about the grave ( Sächsische Zeitung 29./30.März 2014). it said that his mother lived here at bottom appartment Cottage "Rothermundt" at Bodenbacher Str. 47 (destroyed 1945 - a park existst)