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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
« Reply #510 on: December 20, 2011, 02:20:45 PM »
Not a painting in life. An improvement from a photo.

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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
« Reply #511 on: December 21, 2011, 01:05:34 PM »
Time ago I posted one portrait similar to this, now a bit different verssion, the bodice now is red and the portrait seems much less damaged

From a czech site:
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Expect to see a better verssion of this...

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« Reply #512 on: December 21, 2011, 01:29:24 PM »
Sisi looked a bit wistful here...Maybe it was the Czech depiction of her. They were always jealous that she paid more visits to Budapest than Prague.

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« Reply #513 on: December 23, 2011, 12:06:33 PM »
I know that one day before...
Happy 174th birthday to my dear Empress Sissi!!! All my best wishes for her. RIP

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« Reply #514 on: December 23, 2011, 12:37:32 PM »
Happy Birthday to the Christmas child ! :-)

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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
« Reply #515 on: December 28, 2011, 02:16:16 PM »
Three well known here, only that now in color
The Emperor and Empress

At Italy

With the former Empress Eugenie

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« Reply #516 on: December 28, 2011, 02:21:58 PM »
Thanks ! They are very nice colored.

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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
« Reply #517 on: December 29, 2011, 12:41:06 PM »
You're welcome
Now two more...

And one drawing about the coronation, I love to see that the artist was based on the well known photos of Sissi to make this

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« Reply #518 on: December 29, 2011, 03:27:50 PM »
Interesting and almost comical "coronation" picture. Notice how  some of the people are facing forward, as if looking into a camera for a photo.
 And was this coronation or wedding ?  FJ was already Emperor by the time of the wedding Would it have been the practice for the Empress to have a separate cornation after her wedding ?
 And, who is the lonely old gentleman on the throne, way in the background ? Both the former Emperor [Ferd. I & V] and  FJs father [Franz K J] were alive at the time. Could this person  have been one of them ?

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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
« Reply #519 on: December 29, 2011, 05:53:15 PM »
I think that Franz Joseph is the man on the throne, watching Elisabeth being crowned by Gyula Andrassy.

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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
« Reply #520 on: December 29, 2011, 08:00:49 PM »
I would think that  FJ is the  man in white, with ribband. But I am just guessing here.

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« Reply #521 on: December 30, 2011, 08:42:34 AM »
He should be in robes too, but I guess he was represented as "the man in white".

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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
« Reply #522 on: December 30, 2011, 11:46:14 AM »
I think that Franz Joseph is the man on the throne, watching Elisabeth being crowned by Gyula Andrassy.

Deffinitively the man on the throne is Franz Joseph, he's wearing a hussar uniform the day of the coronation. According to some other portraits and even one photo, FJ was wearing a (red) hussar uniform at that day. The man in white standing near Sissi looks like FJ but deffinitively isn't he, I don't know who is really he, IMO he's an important noble man as the others near he.

And was this coronation or wedding ?  FJ was already Emperor by the time of the wedding Would it have been the practice for the Empress to have a separate cornation after her wedding ?
I don't think that this illustration is of the time of their wedding but at the time of their coronation as king and queen of Hungary. Interesting fact anyways, I always wondered if she would have been crowned too, I haven't read nothing about this, but it's possible.

A pair more of the same event...
The Emperor being crowned, the Empress is at the far left of the illustration


Both together, now King and Queen
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« Reply #523 on: December 30, 2011, 05:57:19 PM »
Deffinitively the man on the throne is Franz Joseph, he's wearing a hussar uniform the day of the coronation. According to some other portraits and even one photo, FJ was wearing a (red) hussar uniform at that day. The man in white standing near Sissi looks like FJ but deffinitively isn't he, I don't know who is really he, IMO he's an important noble man as the others near he.

I have found another drawing of the coronation very similar to the one you posted, with slight variations. In it, Andrassy is looking towards the viewer, the man in white doesn't have the band anymore, and the man on the throne is standing, clearly showing that it is Franz Joseph in the hussar uniform he wore to the coronation, as seen in the photo taken by Emil Rabending.





About the crowning of Elisabeth, I read in the book by Brigitte Hamann that she wasn't actually crowned, but according to an old custom, the crown was held over her right shoulder by Andrassy.

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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
« Reply #524 on: January 02, 2012, 11:46:26 AM »
About the crowning of Elisabeth, I read in the book by Brigitte Hamann that she wasn't actually crowned, but according to an old custom, the crown was held over her right shoulder by Andrassy.

I didn't know about this but now I see that is true what B. Hamman said, I noticed that on this pic that I recently found -only that isn't Andrassy who holds it, but I also knew that was he- (by the way, expect to see the full verssion of it)


I still have a doubt... why on some portraits and all the photos Sissi appears with a tiara and in some other portraits (like the one I posted here) she has a "crown" instead of the tiara (did she placed it herself before receiving the other on her shoulder??)