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Offline abbigail

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Nicholas II's opinion of Grigory Rasputin
« on: February 09, 2010, 08:02:38 PM »
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I don't believe for one minute that Alexandra F. had any sort of affair with Rasputin/Father Grigory. I think it's offensive to even consider the idea. But did Nicholas suspect anything of it? What were his fears on the subject? Are there any letters, notes, etc. to Alexandra or anyone else illustrating this? And what was his true opinion of Grigory Rasputin?

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Re: Nicholas II's opinion of Grigory Rasputin
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2010, 09:48:45 PM »
Unlike the bored self-important ladies of court who brought him to Alexandra, Alexandra herself was deeply spiritual and far too serious minded. I remember one relative said that most Russians take their faith casually like an old friend, while Alexandra took everything to heart and let it guide every step of her life. In that alone, she was more Russian than most Russians.
I would disagree only in so far that the simplicity of her faith was more akin to the faith of a peasant than an aristocrat.

No, Alexandra never had an affair with Rasputin. It was her simplicity of faith and belief in Rasputin which convinced her that the Okhrana reports had to be prejudiced and untrue. I think that Nicholas was trapped between the reports from the Okhrana, which he probably believed,  and Alexandra's profound faith in Rasputin.

Considering the impossible position Nicky was in, I have come to have more and more respect for him. In light of how everyone else was acting, he was a true man of honor and character. Not bloody Nicholas Certainly and not a vascillating cipher, but the only man who saw the world at the abyss and tried desparately to save us from ourselves.

I just read the German peace proposal 14 days into World War I. For arogance and self-serving proposals, no one could top the Germans and Kaiser Wilhelm II.

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Re: Nicholas II's opinion of Grigory Rasputin
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2010, 05:31:35 AM »
Yes they knew he would try to trick them in some way and he did...was it the Treaty of B'rieste...that Nicholas signed along with the Kaiser....it was a very dark thing he did to them, and knowingly too.

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Re: Nicholas II's opinion of Grigory Rasputin
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2010, 05:54:26 AM »
No, Nicholas did not sign the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk. According to Helen Rappaport's book 'Ekaterinburg', he believed he was being taken to Moscow from Tobolsk because the Bolshevik Government wanted him to sign the treaty. Of course, he finished up in Ekaterinburg.

Of course, the Kaiser acquiesced (to put it politely) in the German scheme to send Lenin back to Russia by the sealed train.

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Re: Nicholas II's opinion of Grigory Rasputin
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2010, 05:42:35 AM »
Trust, trust trust...it always came back to that very issue didn't it.....who to trust.....and what exactly what other people's intentions were...too many players all juggling for their bit. And in the end....dark days for the russian people, for a very long time....an nightmares that lasted for 20 years for anyone out of that era, and wosrse things too...and now the people and the country coming out of that dark time....well the whole thing was so terrible and to what end, for what good cause did killing Rasputin and the Romanovs show? None, by all accounts. Thereby adding futher fuel to the melancholy state of affairs.

Maybe Nicholas understood his wife's need to have a faith healer, without her faith and her spiritual foundation to strengthen her inner core...what was there to sustain her through her darkest hours?

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Re: Nicholas II's opinion of Grigory Rasputin
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2010, 11:33:54 AM »
On this subject, my feeling is that Nicholas tolerated Rasputin but barely and only because his wife was convinced that only Rasputin could heal his son.  He was completely under her thumb except when he was away from her.  I doubt that Alexandra was ever considered for an affair by Rasputin.  He knew how valuable the connection was and had no thought of endangering it.  Alexandra was totally committed to her husband and so the initiative would never have come from her.  Rasputin had no shortage of willing female aristocrats for his sexual pleasure.
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Re: Nicholas II's opinion of Grigory Rasputin
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2010, 11:12:37 PM »
... I doubt that Alexander was ever considered for an affair by Rasputin. 

... Rasputin had no shortage of willing female aristocrats for his sexual pleasure.

Wherever did you come across such utter nonsense?


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Re: Nicholas II's opinion of Grigory Rasputin
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2010, 11:54:55 PM »
I have often wondered to what degree the 'sexual escapades' of Rasputin and the 'bored' and 'mesmerized' members of the Russian aristocracy was pure fiction that flowered through hearsay and propaganda that eventually lead to the ludicrous rumours that he slept with AF and defiled the Grand Duchesses!

It is almost akin to what occurred and followed during and after the French Revolution in the general tone of cynicism and depravity over historiographic accuracy and relevance!


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Re: Nicholas II's opinion of Grigory Rasputin
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2010, 12:56:32 AM »
If you consider the reports written by the police nonsense and well cited academic books nonsense then you must be a genius.  Rasputin was smart enough to know that if he ever engaged in an affair with the Empress then it would not escape the scrutiny of Palace servants and secret police.  Most of his sexual exploits didnt  anyway.

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Re: Nicholas II's opinion of Grigory Rasputin
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2010, 02:02:15 AM »
If you consider the reports written by the police nonsense and well cited academic books nonsense then you must be a genius.  Rasputin was smart enough to know that if he ever engaged in an affair with the Empress then it would not escape the scrutiny of Palace servants and secret police.  Most of his sexual exploits didnt  anyway.

If I were you, I would not be so defensive about what you might have read in unspecified works until ALL the facts are laid out on the table.

In a matter of weeks you may care to obtain a copy of my book: The Murder of Grigorii Rasputin: A Conspiracy That Brought Down the Russian Empire and perhaps then familiarize yourself with the fact that when it came to specific surveillance reporting relating to Rasputin, the copies of those reports (which were relied upon and published by unsuspecting authors), did not reflect what was actually observed and noted by field agents.

The reasons why those discrepancies came about are discussed in detail and are supported by incontrovertible evidence.

See: http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/news/rasputin.html

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Re: Nicholas II's opinion of Grigory Rasputin
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2010, 03:25:21 AM »
When I have access to your book, I would be more than pleased to read it and let you know my views.

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Re: Nicholas II's opinion of Grigory Rasputin
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2010, 05:37:03 PM »
Margarita,

I can't wait to read your book - I just read the write up and it sounds phenomenal!  I am writing a biography on Anya Vyrubova, and I'm certain your book will provide a lot of information that will be of use. Will it be available through Amazon?

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Re: Nicholas II's opinion of Grigory Rasputin
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2010, 06:33:36 PM »
To come back to this topic. Did Nikolas II write in his letters to his wife or others what he thougt of Rasputin and his advices? As far as I know he ignored most of it and was fed up with Rasputin in 1916. Please correct me, if that's wrong.

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Re: Nicholas II's opinion of Grigory Rasputin
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2010, 07:10:14 PM »
I've never read anything (letters) suggesting he suspected an affair, does anybody have examples?

Interesting discussion that was going on, by the way.
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Re: Nicholas II's opinion of Grigory Rasputin
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2010, 02:58:40 PM »
What was Rasputin doing in regards to visiting the palaces when Nicholas was  at Stavka?