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Offline PeterBB

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Who own the coat of arms?
« on: February 19, 2010, 06:18:33 AM »
Hello,

Is it something that knows who is the owner of this family crest?


Naslednik Norvezhskiy

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Re: Who own the coat of arms?
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2010, 03:51:45 AM »
I agree it's a Russian (or German) count's coronet.

The hatching with horizontal lines usually means blue, so the shield is blue. Without any hatching the eagle is supposed to be argent (silver, white). But I don't know whose arms that might be. The Orlovs, some of whom were counts, fittingly used a lot of eagles in their arms, but as far as I can see not just as the simple or only charge, like here.

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Re: Who own the coat of arms?
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2010, 04:00:36 PM »
Thank you so much and after a reschear at the internet found I also to the Princely Orlov house have four some different background in the crest but with same eagle pattern!
So I can think me to this is one of Orlovs family crest!


aleksandr pavlovich

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Re: Who own the coat of arms?
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2010, 05:06:03 PM »
Attention  Reply #2    Re:  the word: "crest" :  In non-heraldric descriptions, "crest" is often confused with the images ("charges"), etc., within the borders of the shield proper, when in fact, the "crest" per se surmounts the displayed shield.   AP
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Naslednik Norvezhskiy

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Re: Who own the coat of arms?
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2010, 06:45:58 PM »
Yes, saying "crest" for "arms" is rather non-U in 'heraldic circles'. (I'll leave it up to the reader to judge whether 'heraldic circles' means noble armigers or a bunch of geeks. **Langued gules in cheek**)
« Last Edit: February 24, 2010, 07:05:24 PM by R┼ôrik »

Offline David Pritchard

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Re: Who own the coat of arms?
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2010, 11:22:48 PM »
I have very serious doubts about the image posted are the arms of the Counts Orlov or Prince Orlov since they are Azure, an eagle displayed Argent. There were around six coats-of-arms confirmed or granted to Orlov families prior to 1798. None of these use an Azure filed but rather a paly field (which is exrtaordinaryily rare in Russian heraldry. I suspect that the paly field was part of the grant of arms from the Holy Roman Emperor rather than the Russian Emperor. Of course at a later date the arms and title were naturalised as Russian.