Georgy wants the Ekaterinburg remains re-examined

[kmerov]

Well, to me it still dosn't make sence. As I wrote on the thread on GDss Maria Vladimirovna, I have never heard of the Konstantinovichi branch not being dynasts despite GDss Elizaveta Mavrikievna being a Lutheran. Princess Tatiana Konstantinovna had to renounce her succession rights before her marriage in 1911. I don't think Nicholas II would have asked her to do so, if she didn't have them.

If Alexander II issued a Ukaze that excluded the children of GD Vladimir from being dynast, so there most be Ukazes stating the same for the marriages of GD Konstantin Konstantinovich and GD Sergei Alexandrovich aswell.
And besides that, I couldn't imagine Maria Pavlovna agreeing to her children being excluded from the Imperial Succession!

And last but not least, I understand the succession laws differently about the question on Orthodoxy, but I've explain this in the above mentioned thread.



 

 

[Belochka]

The saga which precluded the Vladimirovichi from having any rights to the Throne has to do with Alexander III's foresight when he was aware he was dying.

What Alexander III actually did, to bring finality to the matter, is raised in my upcoming book: "The Murder of Grigoriii Rasputin, A Conspiracy that Brought Down the Russian Empire"

see: http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/news/rasputin.html 

Margarita

[Belochka]

It is critical to recognize that Nikolai II did not amend his late father's action on this matter.

The collapse of the Russian monarchy meant that all its laws were rendered inoperative. The Provisional Government brought in their own body of legislation and among them it specifically removed all rights and privileges held by any members of the former imperial family.

Furthermore it is important to understand that a panel of highly professional international scientists conducted independent assays on the Ekaterinburg remains. They reached the same reproduceable results.

Therefore anything the present Vladimirovich family construe today involves (paraphrasing George) "staging a political show".

Margarita

[kmerov]

The saga which precluded the Vladimirovichi from having any rights to the Throne has to do with Alexander III's foresight when he was aware he was dying.

What Alexander III actually did, to bring finality to the matter, is raised in my upcoming book: "The Murder of Grigoriii Rasputin, A Conspiracy that Brought Down the Russian Empire"

see: http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/news/rasputin.html 

Margarita

Yes, I can't wait for your book. It looks very promising, and you must have put so much work in to it. Many congrats from me.
Right now though, I must admit that I can't see how Alexander could change the staus of the Vladimirovichi, and why the exclusion didn't apply to the Konstantinovichi. Or are you saying that the exclusion was not because of their mother being Lutheran, which seems to be the maine issue in what the FA posted?
But very interesting!

[Belochka]

The saga which precluded the Vladimirovichi from having any rights to the Throne has to do with Alexander III's foresight when he was aware he was dying.

What Alexander III actually did, to bring finality to the matter, is raised in my upcoming book: "The Murder of Grigoriii Rasputin, A Conspiracy that Brought Down the Russian Empire"

see: http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/news/rasputin.html 

Margarita

Yes, I can't wait for your book. It looks very promising, and you must have put so much work in to it. Many congrats from me.
Right now though, I must admit that I can't see how Alexander could change the staus of the Vladimirovichi, and why the exclusion didn't apply to the Konstantinovichi. Or are you saying that the exclusion was not because of their mother being Lutheran, which seems to be the maine issue in what the FA posted?
But very interesting!

Thanks for expressing interest in my book. The advice Alexander III sought regarding this contentious issue came from the most surprising quarters!

How it was achieved will be revealed in April.  ;  )

Margarita

[Belochka]

I went on Wikipedia under Prince Nicholas Romanovich and Maria Vladimirovna and now have a basic understanding of the family division.  However I am still curious about their differences of opinion regarding the IF remains.  

This is quite simply explained Jessamy.

Prince Nicholas Romanov, head of the Imperial House of Romanov expressed full confidence with all of the conclusions drawn in the Commission's Final Report.

The pretender, Mariya Vladimirovnna had no opinion other than that was expressed by the late Patriarch, Alexis II. She readily admitted that was her position.

The newly elected Patriarch Kirill has not publicly expressed an opinion, leaving M. V. in a quandary.

Margarita

[Margot]

Hear Hear Margarita! I couldn't have put it more succinctly if I had tried! I was yawing at post 2 stage but now I have perked up and am learning more stuff about the 'Suburban Matron' and her coterie of hangers on!

[Kalafrana]

As to the Vladimirovichi and the Konstantinovichi, I think we need to remember that the Vladimirovichi were close to the throne in blood - all it needed was for Nicholas and his two brothers to die without sons within the Pauline Law (in the event two of them did and Alexei might well have predeceased his father). The Konstantinovichi were a long way from any serious prospect of succeeding - when I have a quiet moment I will tot up all the people between them and the crown!

Ann

[PAVLOV]

This is just sooooooo boring.
So the upstart "Romanov" Prince wants to have his "relatives" dug up once more, redo the tests, only to find out that the results are the same ? What then ?
The tests at the time were conclusive and were done by the most qualified DNA experts in the world, what more proof is required for heavens sake ?

Apparently the Russian authorities still have bone samples taken from each skeleton.
I suggest they hand these over to the Grand Duchess and her son. This will afford them the opportunity to arrange their own tests, and reach their own conclusion. Perhaps the Grand Duchess can pay the cost of doing so herself this time ?
   

Prince Georgiy is NOT Russian, NOT a Romanov, and he has NO claim to the Romanov throne. He therefore has no right to make any demands of this nature.
It is quite clear that his mother is behind all of this, and that they are trying to curry favour and ingratiate themselves with the Russian Church.

Both are becoming an acute embarrassment, not only to themselves, but to Russia, and the memory of the Russian Imperial Family. This is becoming a travelling soap opera, and lends a new dimension to the words " BAD TASTE".
I think they should be moved to the "pretenders" part of this forum.

This is truly a mission by two fakes to nowhere, for nothing and no purpose.

This is becoming an ongoing and "overbloated" subject.



 

[Jessamy]

Thank you Margarita for taking the time to reply to my question. I greatly appreciate it!!

[JonC]

My reply was removed, why?

[Forum Admin]

Because unsubstantiated allegations of conspiracy theory regarding the Imperial Family remains is not permitted. PROVE your allegations and it will be allowed to stand. So far, the USAF Forensic labs and four other independent labs have signed off on the testing as valid. So the ball is in YOUR court to prove otherwise.

[CorisCapnSkip]

I was cornered over this issue in the wives for George thread and gave up in the end as I thought I was being perceived to be splitting hairs!

Splitting heirs, lol, splitting heirs!  Okay, I'll go now.

[Ilias_of_John]

I have it on good authority that EVERYONE including Grand Duchess Maria accept the validity of the bones and the fact that they are the IF.
She just hasnt said so publicly, so as not to emabarass herself(I think).
I can only say that GD George is trying to make some political noise to stir some interest in his mothers claim, and to ingratiate him with the new Patriarch.

[Belochka]

I have it on good authority that EVERYONE including Grand Duchess Maria accept the validity of the bones and the fact that they are the IF.
She just hasnt said so publicly, so as not to emabarass herself(I think).
I can only say that GD George is trying to make some political noise to stir some interest in his mothers claim, and to ingratiate him with the new Patriarch.

It is extremely difficult to see how George's loose ill-conceived, highly offensive public remarks could possibly provide a pathway to help gain acceptance from Patriarch Kirill.

As for Russians citizens, the majority do not care about George, his mother or her pretentious claims - and that is a fact.

Margarita