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Re: Georgy wants the Ekaterinburg remains re-examined
« Reply #75 on: March 29, 2010, 08:06:51 PM »
But Lisa, his mother is Half Basgartin[ sp ?], his father a Hohenzollern. I agree with FA.

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Re: Georgy wants the Ekaterinburg remains re-examined
« Reply #76 on: March 29, 2010, 08:48:56 PM »
Thank you Lisa for the clarification. I wasn't sure if Georgy had been adopted or had some other variation in his lineage. From your explanation, I would have to agree that he is directly related to Alexander II.

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Re: Georgy wants the Ekaterinburg remains re-examined
« Reply #77 on: March 29, 2010, 10:45:13 PM »
But Lisa, his mother is Half Basgartin[ sp ?], his father a Hohenzollern. I agree with FA.

But, Robert, his lineage is in no way subjective. It's not a matter of agree/disagree. His mother is the great-great granddaughter of a Romanov emperor - regardless of her marriage or her parents' marriage.

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« Reply #78 on: March 29, 2010, 11:27:33 PM »
I  am not denying his lineage. I thought the isue was  blood.

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Re: Georgy wants the Ekaterinburg remains re-examined
« Reply #79 on: March 29, 2010, 11:50:13 PM »
But Lisa, his mother is Half Basgartin[ sp ?], his father a Hohenzollern. I agree with FA.

But, Robert, his lineage is in no way subjective. It's not a matter of agree/disagree. His mother is the great-great granddaughter of a Romanov emperor - regardless of her marriage or her parents' marriage.

Yes, but...

In a line of Royal succession that is based solely on male primogeniture, Georgy's father is *not* a Romanov. His father is a Hohenzollern.

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Re: Georgy wants the Ekaterinburg remains re-examined
« Reply #80 on: March 30, 2010, 01:20:14 AM »
But Lisa, his mother is Half Basgartin[ sp ?], his father a Hohenzollern. I agree with FA.

But, Robert, his lineage is in no way subjective. It's not a matter of agree/disagree. His mother is the great-great granddaughter of a Romanov emperor - regardless of her marriage or her parents' marriage.

Yes, but...

In a line of Royal succession that is based solely on male primogeniture, Georgy's father is *not* a Romanov. His father is a Hohenzollern.


No doubt - but it was said he had no Romanov blood. That is untruue.

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Re: Georgy wants the Ekaterinburg remains re-examined
« Reply #81 on: March 30, 2010, 01:20:36 AM »
But Lisa, his mother is Half Basgartin[ sp ?], his father a Hohenzollern. I agree with FA.

But, Robert, his lineage is in no way subjective. It's not a matter of agree/disagree. His mother is the great-great granddaughter of a Romanov emperor - regardless of her marriage or her parents' marriage.

Yes, but...

In a line of Royal succession that is based solely on male primogeniture, Georgy's father is *not* a Romanov. His father is a Hohenzollern.

Exactly,he is just the product of an unfortunate incident.
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Re: Georgy wants the Ekaterinburg remains re-examined
« Reply #82 on: March 30, 2010, 03:25:57 AM »
Having a Hohenzollern father does not mean that Georgi has no Romanov blood.

In fact it is a nice irony that Maria Vladimirovna married someone who was an 'equal' and did not have to follow family tradition and declare her marriage equal.

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Re: Georgy wants the Ekaterinburg remains re-examined
« Reply #83 on: March 30, 2010, 06:20:19 AM »
From Lucien...


"Exactly,he is just the product of an unfortunate incident."

I bet you it was a wonderful incident at the time!



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Re: Georgy wants the Ekaterinburg remains re-examined
« Reply #84 on: March 30, 2010, 11:21:06 AM »
Sorry,

In my haste I was not as clear as I should have been.  I meant to write "not a drop of Romanov blood in his veins by which to press any claims" but it came out wrong. I'm sorry for the resulting confusion.

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Re: Georgy wants the Ekaterinburg remains re-examined
« Reply #85 on: March 30, 2010, 08:32:44 PM »
Whether he has a right or not, I will leave to other, wiser heads than mine...but why is this mother and son  advocating disturbing the Imperial Family? Can it just be for publicity? There are better ways to gain that. Because they are aligned with factions that want identification  to remain in limbo? And am I correct in assuming the reason we have even 5 members of the family laid  to rest is in large measure because Yeltsin insisted?  Can someone point me to a thread, where I'm sure this is  covered? Thank you.

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« Reply #86 on: March 31, 2010, 04:29:20 AM »
'Can it just be for publicity? There are better ways to gain that.'

It would make much better sense for them to push for Alexei and the final sister to be properly buried along with the rest of the family. I think that they are dragging the 'identification' issue out because, like a good many people about a lot of different things, they cannot face admitting that they were mistaken.

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« Reply #87 on: March 31, 2010, 04:33:42 AM »
Spot on Kalafrana - They have been seperated for almost 100 years and it is now time they let them rest in peace together as a family.

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Re: Georgy wants the Ekaterinburg remains re-examined
« Reply #88 on: March 31, 2010, 09:41:17 AM »
Spot on Kalafrana - They have been seperated for almost 100 years and it is now time they let them rest in peace together as a family.

Any burial together at this point is for us - the people who still admire the family in any way. They have certainly been together in spirit and have been resting in peace - if you believe in such things as an afterlife.

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Re: Georgy wants the Ekaterinburg remains re-examined
« Reply #89 on: March 31, 2010, 02:15:42 PM »
Spot on Kalafrana - They have been seperated for almost 100 years and it is now time they let them rest in peace together as a family.
Any burial together at this point is for us - the people who still admire the family in any way. They have certainly been together in spirit and have been resting in peace - if you believe in such things as an afterlife.
Oh Lisa, there's no question about that... and indeed it would be for us...as something that is the right thing to do and there fore have an  interest in seeing  it done. That's  main benefit. The family is not needful of this. Indeed , even in life and under dire conditions, they  ably showed  official behavior had little bearing on their spiritual lives. We are in need to see it done. We are in need to see what little can be done,  is done ... and that is ,as Ann says let them rest in peace together as a family. But you are also right when you say it would be mainly for us.

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