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Kristin has sent us the following:

FYI....The Guardian published an article and two excerpts from a
book which claim the Soviet Army inadvertantly destroyed the Amber
Room.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1222196,00.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,3605,1220878,00.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,3605,1221229,00.html


I got the book and was completely blown away by it - I have to say I and many others were treated the same way as the authors by the infamous Bardovskaya...

Bob

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Re: The Amber Room: The Fate of the World's Greatest Lost Treasure
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2004, 03:38:55 PM »
Dear Bob, My heart goes out to you today.  You must really be feeling betrayed by Kuchumov your great friend that you love so well.  Just don't let anything discourage you with all of the help that you are giving.  It must have been very hard for him to take this huge secret to his grave.      Arleen

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Re: The Amber Room: The Fate of the World's Greatest Lost Treasure
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2004, 06:42:20 PM »
Arlene:

I don't feel betrayed - thank you so much for the kind thoughts, though.

I read the book all the way through and I don't agree with the conclusions of the authors about Kuchumov and I don't think their reasoning about him is right.

Their claim Kuchumov said the Amber Room survived in order to cover for his inability to save it is ridiculous.  Those few Russians had thousands of precious things to save, including their own lives, in just a few days-  while the Germans had plenty of time and people.  They tried to save the room at first and damaged it in the process. So rather than continue trying to dismantle it and in the process destroy more, they turned their attention to the many other treasures that they could save.  Who knows what would have been lost if all their time and attention had been given to just the Amber Room.

After the war I think the Russians - including Kuchumov, kept looking for the Amber Room, even when there was evidence that it had been lost, because they weren't sure and were hoping it still might be found.  The books called the lost room the "eighth wonder of the world" - well, one could keep searching for that all your life hoping against hope that it would be found. (People still hope against hope that Anastasia survived!)

I knew Kuchumov personally and I know he loved the Alexander Palace with all his heart.  In those last few days as the Germans were advancing I can see him turning from the hopeless prospect of evacuating the Amber Room, to go back to the AP where he saved literally hundreds of other treasures that otherwise would have been lost.

If you saw the movie 'Sophie's Choice' you'll remember the terrible choice she made in choosing the child she saved and the horrible toll it took on her.  I see that Kuchumov was actually in such a situation himself, deciding what treasures to save and what to leave behind.  There was no way one could win.

After the war he returned time and time again to look for the child he had 'given up' - hoping against the 'evidence' that the Amber Room had survived.

Bob
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Re: The Amber Room: The Fate of the World's Greatest Lost Treasure
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2004, 06:49:42 PM »
I'm interested in hearing what your opinion is about this Bob.It's all rather mindblowing finding out after all these years that the Soviets were the ones who destroyed the Amber Room even if it was by accident.
It's really hard to imagine Kuchumov knowing about this and keeping it a secret.But then again The Soviet government was pretty powerful and could make sure anything they wanted was kept hidden.Reading these articles certainly gives me a lot to think about.
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« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2004, 07:02:02 PM »
I have read plenty about the Amber Room, lately & in the past [and there is PLENTY  out now, at least in the British media].
I have not yet read this book, shall probably wait until I am back in England to get it, rather than pay so much to import it.
However, any book taged "controversial" I am immeadiately suspicious of. That is a maketing ploy, simply to sell the book.
I tend to think that the curator's reputation is not at stake.  As Bob said, many hope against hope for the impossible.  I can't make a judgement about the book, but I personally feel this whole thing is another sensationalist  "conspiracy" to make fast money & discredit a long dead regime. I am sure some other authors may be able to come up with just as valid contradictory conclusions.
Cheers,
Robert

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Re: The Amber Room: The Fate of the World's Greatest Lost Treasure
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2004, 08:09:49 PM »
FYI Robert,
We bought the book at our local Barnes & Noble, no need to "import" it.

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« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2004, 09:05:37 PM »
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It must have been very hard for him to take this huge secret to his grave.    


I wonder if Kuchumov did see this as a "secret to take to his grave."  I haven't read the book yet, but it seems to me from the articles that Bob posted that Kuchumov was certainly told that the room was destroyed -- but absent any concrete evidence, he may not have thought that this was the last word on the subject.  Perhaps he had other testimony that the room continued to exist.  Or perhaps he thought that the whole issue was so politicized that he couldn't possibly have pursued his investigation to its conclusion in those particular times.

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Re: The Amber Room: The Fate of the World's Greatest Lost Treasure
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2004, 07:36:40 AM »
Let us remember Europe in 1945-6, mass movement of people, art treasure scattered like the wind, the destruction of Europe by the Germans. Its amazing that anything survived. I beleive our old friend, the Alexander Palaces best friend, may have honestly believed that it would reappear. Also the Soviet climate then, Stalin was riding high. He may have felt he needed to keep quiet,we all know how easy it was to interned. Let us not judge. He was also a Russian,  if this is what happened he may have felt ashamed that Russian troops had made a dreadfull mistake

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« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2004, 10:06:36 AM »
Thank you, Bob.  I did not realise it was already published in the US.  Last I saw it was not due until the fall here.
Cheers,
Robert

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« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2004, 08:41:28 AM »
Dear Bob, I think the "Sophie's Choice" analogy is perfect. Sad that a man, who you came to know cared so much for the things in his charge, should be the lynch pin in a bit of sensationalism. His choices seemed "a rock and a hard place" scenario...destroy it trying to save it, or attempt to hide it. I'm sure he felt huge quilt that his attempts to hide the panels failed, just as I'm sure that the specter of, " government reports indicting several of his former museum colleagues who were exiled to the gulags after the war, accused of failing properly to organize the evacuations of 1941" hung over his head.

It is easy to sit in judgment while the truth of a situation sits beneath the surface.

Sunny





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Re: The Amber Room: The Fate of the World's Greatest Lost Treasure
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2004, 10:56:18 AM »
Thanks, Sunny!  In the story of the Alexander Palace there certainly have been people who have exploited it to benefit themselves, Kuchumov was not one of them.

The book recounts all of the awards he won - including the Lenin Prize - he never mentioned any of them to me.  I can't remember hearing him brag or boast about how he saved so many things from the palace during the war.  When we talked about what happened during the war it was always about what had been lost, or the work that needed to be done today to save what remained and restore the palace.

He lived in complete and utter poverty, his only treasures were his writings, photographs and fabrics from the Alexander Palace.  When I knew him he was paralyzed on one side of his body and it was very difficult for him to speak.  Living was very difficult and painful for him.  What kept him going was the Alexander Palace.  He knew how important it was that he live so that the knowledge and documentation he had on the palace could be used in it's restoration.  Unfortunately his body could not hold out and he died in 1993.

It is too bad he is not here today to defend himself, but on the other hand I am glad he is not here to see what these authors have done to him.  He gave everything he had to - as Christine calls it - "The Forgotten Palace".  Without his knowledge, hard work and documentation no one would know anything about the AP and this website would not exist.

So, if you think about it Kuchumov was successful - who would have known that the Internet would come along and his palace would become so celebrated and famous.  Who would have thought that all of us around the world would be brought together around the dream of the AP being restored.

The authors of the Amber Room started out badly in Russia. They encountered the negative side of the things almost from the day they arrived. That must have been a shock, since they probably expected to be welcomed with open arms and graciously provided with every assistance.  The story of their reception in Russia is in the book and speaks for itself.  After this they seemed to have tarred everyone associated with the story of the Amber Room with some degree of dirt.  No one escapes their sharp, pointed storytelling! Perhaps some people deserved it. Kuchumov was not one of them.

We can't bury our heads in the sand and think that there aren't people who will try to leverage fame and fortune out of the palace one way or another.  For those who love the palace, its inhabitants and story, who have a true passion for it, it's hard to believe that anyone could exploit it.  I hope most people are wise enough to tell when someone's interest is centered on themselves, money or fame rather then the palace.

Bob
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« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2004, 11:18:38 AM »
Bob
My feelings as well. I think that is what I was trying to get accross, if a bit less well put.
Cheers,
Robert

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Re: The Amber Room: The Fate of the World's Greatest Lost Treasure
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2004, 11:30:20 AM »
Robert - I am a terrible writer - I find it really had to put down in words what I feel - and my grammar and spelling are atrocious.  Thank God for spell checkers....

Bob

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« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2004, 02:54:54 PM »
Bob, your words are beautifully shared. It is interesting to me that some of the traits of character that you met in Kuchumov, are traits shared with Nicholas and his family. Perhaps one day you might write a book about your experiences, and encounters with remarkable people, on the way to restoring The Alexander Palace...

Sunny

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« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2004, 11:32:08 PM »
Bob, I am so glad that this website exists to counterbalance things like this new book on the Amber Room. And thank you for your perspectives and for defending a man who gave his life for the Alexander Palace. The "Sophie's Choice" analogy is so heartbreakingly perfect. Melissa K.