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Are that a old russian jar?
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The market is now flooded with fake and spurious "Imperial" pieces. Many are genuine 19th century pieces, of inferior quality, that have been later marked in some way as to imply "Imperial" provenance. For example, ebay has dozens of perfectly good 19th century cigarette cases from decent makers, that have had a cheap silver "Imperial" Eagle slapped on and a "faberge" stamp stamped over the REAL maker's mark, and many pieces of inferior porcelain that were unmarked German or French pieces, where an "Imperial" cypher is underglaze painted to suggest coming from the IPF...
99% of what is purporting to be "Imperial" in the market today is FAKE. Buyers MUST be careful.
Constantinople:
What is really alarming is going into a reputable antiques dealer and seeing fake Faberge (probably from Bulgaria or Roumania). I have seen a lot of match boxes and small pieces where you could tell that the metal work was inferior and the enamel work was third rate. Ii have also seen and felt genuine Faberge and when you see the real thing, the difference becomes very apparent.
I still suggest contacting that woman and some of her Russian colleagues to be able to add expert input.
Inok Nikolai:
--- Quote from: aleksandr pavlovich on March 10, 2010, 04:58:18 PM ---Attention Replies # 2 and 3: There were TWO better-known "Coronation Cups." The common one (sometimes called "The Cup of Sorrows"), to which I am sure you are referring, Fyodor Petrovich, is flat-enameled over METAL (NOT earthenware). This is the one with the geometric "strap-work" in the style of this jug. The EARTHENWARE variety was in monochrome colors over raised and molded bodies. I believe that there are seven different (separate colors) of manufacture that have been identified for this earthenware cup. A lesser number of this kind of cup survived, and is not seen as frequently, because of breakage. I have examples of both kinds in my collection. Best regards to you both. AP
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Speaking of those cups, have you seen one of these commemorative cloths printed for distribution to the crowds?
It's 28 inches x 25 inches, and it displays Tsar Nicholas II's initials, the year 1896, with the text "God Save the Tsar".
I think that they may have been used to wrap up the treats given to the common folk.
We acquired ours many years ago when we purchased a chalice from a Russian monastery. It came wrapped in this cloth, which they kindly gave to us too.
I believe that such cloths are rare. A photograph of ours was once used as an illustration in a book on the coronation.
(I'm trying to post this as a thumbnail. Hope it works!)
aleksandr pavlovich:
--- Quote from: Inok Nikolai on January 17, 2012, 10:42:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: aleksandr pavlovich on March 10, 2010, 04:58:18 PM ---Attention Replies # 2 and 3: There were TWO better-known "Coronation Cups." The common one (sometimes called "The Cup of Sorrows"), to which I am sure you are referring, Fyodor Petrovich, is flat-enameled over METAL (NOT earthenware). This is the one with the geometric "strap-work" in the style of this jug. The EARTHENWARE variety was in monochrome colors over raised and molded bodies. I believe that there are seven different (separate colors) of manufacture that have been identified for this earthenware cup. A lesser number of this kind of cup survived, and is not seen as frequently, because of breakage. I have examples of both kinds in my collection. Best regards to you both. AP
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Speaking of those cups, have you seen one of these commemorative cloths printed for distribution to the crowds?
It's 28 inches x 25 inches, and it displays Tsar Nicholas II's initials, the year 1896, with the text "God Save the Tsar".
I think that they may have been used to wrap up the treats given to the common folk.
We acquired ours many years ago when we purchased a chalice from a Russian monastery. It came wrapped in this cloth, which they kindly gave to us too.
I believe that such cloths are rare. A photograph of ours was once used as an illustration in a book on the coronation.
(I'm trying to post this as a thumbnail. Hope it works!)
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Yes, thank you, Father Nikolai, I have seen a few of these cloths. They were used to wrap the contents/treats of the cups that were distributed. They are indeed more rare than the cups due to the nature of their comparative fragility of material. If memory serves me correctly, there were a few different designs, but all (and I stand to be corrected) within the color scheme of red/white. One was displayed in the great "Nicholas and Alexandra Exhibition" that toured in only four cities of the USA some years ago. I viewed the Exhibition twice in Wilmington, Delaware, USA. Though I do not have my copy of their rather heavy hardbound catalogue in front of me at this instant, I feel certain that it is shown in there. Happy New Year, and thank you for the posting! Kind Regards, Aleksandr Pavlovich.
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