Where Some Envision Czar’s End, Church Sees Building Site

[Belochka]

God know's if she ever will though Margarita.

This matter involves her directly.

Given what you have stated on this Forum, it is rather difficult to accept that her publicly declared position regarding all the Ekaterinburg remains ought to prevail. 

Margarita

[Lucien]

God know's if she ever will though Margarita.

This matter involves her directly.

Given what you have stated on this Forum, it is rather difficult to accept that her publicly declared position regarding all the Ekaterinburg remains ought to prevail. 

Margarita

Which comes to my point,it borders the rediculous to even contemplate to listen to the woman,let alone take her seriously.

Ilias dear pall,perhaps you will be able to fetch her between the (long and empty ) lines of the womans itinerary and speak out for all of us.

[Lucien]

I'll let you all in to a little secret.
The church knows EXACTLY who was buried there, and to whom the bones we buried in St.Petersburg belonged to.


It's all about politics and power and influence.

And I got that from someone who knows!!

Oh but Ilias,that is not "little secret",it's a big bang...........Maria's bubble went out of the window....

Someone ought to get the media into action on this,western media that is,and put that ROC and whoever else is meddling under fierce pressure.
You think that doesn't work?It does,tell 'm fe that the IMF will withdraw a loan or something along that line,or freeze assets abroad,anything.

[Ilias_of_John]

Guys,guys guys.

I never said that her publicli position ought to prevail.
I agree with you in everything that you say in terms of GD Maria and her non recognition of the remains.
I am not defending her in the least.

I know for a fact that the great Majority of ROC Metropolitans and and senior Romanov decendants know that they are genuine.
 
As to why she and her son say what they say, I can only presume they are doing so for either:

a) political pressure,
b) private aims that we dont know about. ie media attention,

  

 

[Belochka]

God know's if she ever will though Margarita.

This matter involves her directly.

Given what you have stated on this Forum, it is rather difficult to accept that her publicly declared position regarding all the Ekaterinburg remains ought to prevail. 

Margarita

Which comes to my point,it borders the rediculous to even contemplate to listen to the woman,let alone take her seriously.

Lucien I totally agree - why should anyone bother, more so now that her latest game plan has finally been revealed?

This woman with such grand pretentions prefers to swing with the breeze in Moscow.

The entire matter IMO rests with the notion that the Church must maintain the public image that it never erred.

If that means destroying the present excavation site and with that consequence, the permanent concealment of possible submerged earthly Imperial remains, then so be it.

Margarita

[Ilias_of_John]

O fcourse the Church erred, not just in this matter but in many many others
Lets just wait and see what happens!

[Belochka]

Guys,guys guys.

I never said that her publicli position ought to prevail.
I agree with you in everything that you say in terms of GD Maria and her non recognition of the remains.
I am not defending her in the least.

I know for a fact that the great Majority of ROC Metropolitans and and senior Romanov decendants know that they are genuine.
 
As to why she and her son say what they say, I can only presume they are doing so for either:

a) political pressure,
b) private aims that we dont know about. ie media attention,

You mean seeking media attention (roll out George) in order to promote a series of false statements and willingly promote the notion that ALL the international forensic scientists and Soloviev's Commission of Inquiry got it wrong?

Where is her sense of doing what is right by the last Imperial Family?

Margarita

[Belochka]

O fcourse the Church erred, not just in this matter but in many many others
Lets just wait and see what happens!

We cannot just "see what happens". By that time the irrevocable damage will be done Yeltsin style!

[Nicola De Valeron]

We cannot just "see what happens". By that time the irrevocable damage will be done Yeltsin style!

Interesting, what is the "Yeltsin style", compared to "Putin" for example? As to me, I love more "imperfect democracy" than good and prosperous authoritarianism from Cheka.

I can only say one sad thought: poor Russian liberators (from Alexander II to Yeltsin), they will always be criticized by all in a row, including unfortunately by very educated people.

[Belochka]

We cannot just "see what happens". By that time the irrevocable damage will be done Yeltsin style!

Interesting, what is the "Yeltsin style" ...

... To me, this present matter looks rather similar to Yeltsin's order to destroy the Ipatiev House, then years later apologise for his wrongful act, knowing full well that nothing could be undone.

[Belochka]

Thus, this discussion has clearly identified that:

THE TRUTH CAN BE INCONVENIENT

[Nicola De Valeron]

Oh, now I see! You have a claim to him about Ipatiev house (that was Andropov decision and Yeltsin had no other choice). OK. Dear Margarita, I think that Russia itself is not only Ipatiev house;) There are a lot of beautiful buildings around. But I suddenly forgot that we are on the Romanovs forum and that people here know only that Yeltsin destroyed Ipatiev house. They don't know anything else about him, for example that he risked his life in August of 1991 and October 1993, tried to save Russia from it's terrible past, forced liberal economic reforms and so on. And for all these actions he was totally responsible by himself. Of course he had a great number of mistakes, like Chechen war, but this is understandable, because he lived and studied not in Harvard and with book by Lincoln, he grew up in the USSR. As I know USSR during its history had no such disciplines, like free market, classical liberalism and democracy;). Btw, he also was totally responsible for all his mistakes.

And about Ipatiev house....I think that the year of 1998 and Romanov's funeral is the dignified and honorable apology from Yeltsin. I think that even for the "hard true Romanovs fans" that would be enough.

[rgt9w]

Who gave the ROC permission to build on the site? Did they purchase the land or are they allowed to build indiscriminately where they see fit?

[EmmyLee]

That's a question I just thought of. Did the land never really have an owner (if that's possible anymore)? Or perhaps the owner supports the ROC's decision and was perfectly willing to sell. Another option is that the owner just didn't care one way or another what the Church wanted with the land.

[Lucien]

Thus, this discussion has clearly identified that:

THE TRUTH CAN BE INCONVENIENT

And also.This,wasn't a mock fuss:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oYHKLHGwvA

courtesy