Shooters of Nich. II and Other Romanovs

[AGRBear]

Romanovs:

27 Jan 1919 Grand Duke Paul Alexandrovich, Dimitri Konstantinovich, Nicholas Mikhailovich and George Mikhailovich were lead out of the Trubetskoy Bastion in the Petrograd's Fortress of St. Peter and St. Paul and executed.

p. 504  THE FATE OF THE ROMANOVS by Greg King and Penny Wilson

I do not know at this time if there is any soldiers listed as having been part of the this execution.

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[AGRBear]

There is a new thread about the nun, Sister Varvara, who died with GD Elisabeth on the following URL:
http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=friends;action=display;num=1095551171

Evidently her name was Mme. Vera Uslova (Yakovlva).

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[AGRBear]

Peter Ermakov : � Moving him to his own thread....

http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=anastasia;action=display;num=1100022098

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[patrick_delaney]

The posting by AGRBear regarding his query to Greg King and Penny Wilson about who the "shooters" were deserves an answer.  What sources do they alledge to have that will confirm their assertions?  Also has anyone explored the "murder trial and executions" held in Perm not too long after the events in the Ipatiev House?  The victims of the murders were said to be the Romanovs.

[rskkiya]

Patrick
This topic has been discussed numerous times in other threads...
Actually, it has been rather beaten to death!  :-/
rskkiya

[AGRBear]

The posting by AGRBear regarding his query to Greg King and Penny Wilson about who the "shooters" were deserves an answer.  What sources do they alledge to have that will confirm their assertions?  Also has anyone explored the "murder trial and executions" held in Perm not too long after the events in the Ipatiev House?  The victims of the murders were said to be the Romanovs.

Patrick
This topic has been discussed numerous times in other threads...
Actually, it has been rather beaten to death!  :-/
rskkiya

Where have we talked about the "murder trial" held in Perm by the Soviets?

AGRBear

[patrick_delaney]

Patrick
This topic has been discussed numerous times in other threads...
Actually, it has been rather beaten to death!  :-/
rskkiya

Please indulge me and recount for me what has been said.

Thanks so much,

Patrick

[AGRBear]

No responce.

I guess we haven't talked about the Perm trial.

Anyone have any good sources about the trial?

Anyone care to start a new thread about the subject?

AGRBear

[AGRBear]

Scroll upward and I've added a photo of the men who claimed to have murdered GD Michael [uncrown Tsar Michael.....], brother of Nicholas II.

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[Abby]

here is another pic of goloshoshekin, beloborodov, and two others...

[AGRBear]

Can anyone point me to any other photographs?

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[AGRBear]

Here is Penny's remarks on the GD Michael/uncrown Emp. Michael I/Tsar Michael IV:

Dave,

Here's what we wrote about Michael's death on our site: www.thefateoftheromanovs.com � If you want to see a photo of Michael (and the people and places associated with his death), go to our site, select on Photo Galleries, then select on House of Romanov, and there are some interactive links to our photos...

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Grand Duke Michael Alexandrovich had arrived in the provincial city of Perm on 19 March 1918, along with his secretary and friend � Nicholas Johnson. � They were held in the city jail until 9 April, when Michael's valet, Vassili Chelyshev, with assistance from the Grand Duke's wife, Natasha, and a Times of London correspondent, was able to effect his release. He moved from the jail into rented rooms at the Korolev Hotel, renamed by the Bolsheviks as "Hotel #1." � Life instantly improved for Michael and Johnson. They were permitted to move freely in the city, though they were under surveillance by the local city Cheka. Michael was also required to report to militia headquarters once per day, though as this was located in a building next to the hotel, it was a task easily accomplished. The following two months passed pleasantly enough. Michael lived leisurely, walking along the Embankment, dining with friends made in the city, and writing letters to family and friends. Natasha even made a visit to Perm, and by 12 June, Michael was engaged in house hunting, so that they would have a home when she was permitted to return permanently with their young son.

Late that evening, a hotel guest named Krumnis was in a room adjacent to that of the Grand Duke, playing cards, when he heard a disruption and raised voices in the hallway. Venturing to crack his door open, he witnessed three men arguing with the Hotel Commissar. They were demanding that Michael be turned over to them for "evacuation." The Commissar knew of no orders to move Michael, and he refused the men access to the Grand Duke's rooms until he heard directly from the Cheka. Pushing past the Commissar, the three men demanded that a serving girl from the hotel restaurant show them where Michael Romanov lived. Krumnis saw her lead them towards the stairs. The three men were actually Bolsheviks from the Ural Regional Soviet, but they did not identify themselves as such, as their plan was to disguise Michael's kidnapping as an escape.

Vassili Chelyshev later told other Imperial servants held at the Perm jail how Michael resisted the men at first, but then was taken at gunpoint from his hotel room; Nicholas Johnson had refused to let him leave alone and had insisted on accompanying the Grand Duke. Neither man was allowed the time even to put on a coat against the evening's chill. Still watching from his door downstairs, Krumnis saw Michael and Johnson descend the stairs and leave the Hotel with the unrecognized men; he thought that neither looked worried or upset.

Outside, two small horse-drawn phaetons and several men were waiting. Michael, Johnson and a group of six or seven men - Gabriel Myasnikov, twenty-nine-years-old, a member of the Perm Cheka and Head of the City Garrison; Andrei Markov, Commissar for Appropriations in the Perm Soviet; Vassili Ivanchenko, Head of the Perm Military Garrison; Nicholas Zhuzhgov, Assistant Chief of the Motovilikhia Factory; and Ivan Kolpashchikov, a member of the Red Army -- got into them, and they were driven away out onto the Siberian Highway. A sixth man, Igor Novoselov, later wrote an account of the murder, which seems to indicate that he was also present that night in the forest. A seventh version came from Feodor Lukoyanov, who later claimed to have been involved in the murder. According to his sister Vera, one day he burst into a meeting of the Ekaterinburg Cheka and declared: "If you would give me Nicholas, I would solve this sorry affair, just like I did with Michael!"

Michael asked where he was being taken. He was told that he was being driven to another town, where he would board a train for Mogilev, located some 1400 miles to the west. The Grand Duke seemed reassured by this answer, and settled back calmly into his seat. In reality, Myasnikov had worked out a far more sinister plan. Michael would be taken away to a clearing in the forest near the Motovilikhia Factory and shot; at the same time, the Perm Cheka would declare that Michael had disappeared-rescued or kidnapped-and arrest the three members of his small Household as suspected conspirators.

Driving through Motovilikhia, they passed a Soviet paraffin store on the edge of town. Nearly a mile further on, the carriages turned off the highway and into the woods, where they stopped. Michael and Johnson were told that they were to meet the train beyond the woods, where it would stop to pick them up in a field between stations. They would have to walk the rest of the way. Getting out of his carriage, Grand Duke Michael began to walk in the direction indicated. Nicholas Johnson was still climbing out when without warning or ceremony, Markov leveled his handgun and shot him in the head. Johnson “swayed and fell into the dirt.” Michael began to run towards his secretary. Kolpashnikov aimed and pulled the trigger on his revolver, but the gun jammed; Zhuzhgov fired, but his shot only wounded the Grand Duke, and left him still on his feet and moving towards them. Markov fired, his shot striking the Grand Duke in the head and sending him in a spiral into the road, where he died at the side of his secretary. The conspirators were not able to properly bury the bodies in the dark, so later that morning, more men returned to the forest to dig the graves of Michael Romanov and Nicholas Johnson.

In recent years, a certain amount of searching has been done in this area, known as Malaya Yazovaya, and various theories have been advanced. Among them is the belief that the grave has been paved over, and is now under either a parking lot or a nearby housing division. Alternatively, others think that the Soviets exhumed the bodies and burned them in a smelter at Motovilikhia, lest Michael's resting place become as common knowledge as those in the Stenbock-Ferner Woods at Koptyaki and the Alapayevsk mineshaft.

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[AGRBear]

Dear Annie

I was actually referring to the Grand Dukes Paul Alexandrovich, Dmitri Constantinovich, Nicholas Michailovich and George Michailovich.   Since asking the question, I have discovered from the memoirs of Princess Paley that the Grand Dukes were executed on 17/30th January 1919.

Princess Paley (wife of Grand Duke Paul Alexandrovich) begged the Cheka to allow her to give return her husband's remains in order he should have a Christian burial.   'They refused absolutely.'  

Later she discovered the Cheka had taken her husband to the Trubetskoy Bastion in the Peter and Paul Fortress.   There he was shut up in the 'black dungeons' with the other Grand Dukes.  

...'At three o'clock in the morning, two soldiers name Blagovidoff and Solovieff made them go out, naked to the waist, and led them on to the Place de la Monnaie within the enceinte of the fortress, in front of the Cathedral.   They saw an immense, deep common grave in which thirteen bodies lay already.   These soldiers made them stand in line near the grave and the abominable crime was accomplished.   Some moments before, the old servant heard the Grand Duke (Paul) utter out loud the words:

'God forgive them, they know not what they do...'


(tsaria)

[AGRBear]

Question about the Letts in Yurovsky's execution squad was answered by Penny on another thread:

Yurovsky's Letts were a mixed bag of nationalities -- Lacher was from Austria, Verhas from Hungary, and Netrebin from Russia itself.  The only two actual Baltic Letts in the group were Adolph Lepa -- who refused to shoot the family, but who later accompanied the truck laden with bodies into the forest -- quite an interesting man from this point of view.

The other Baltic Lett was a man known only as "Soames."  Sometimes it appears as "Zomes."  I always thought that Soames was an English name -- and there was one passing mention by someone in Tobolsk -- I can't remember where I read this, but perhaps Greg will, though it was only one brief sentence -- that there was an Englishman among the Emperor's guards.   Now this person was speaking of the Tobolsk guard, and we were unable to find any "English" sort of name among that guards' list.  So either the speaker was mistaken, or it was a rumor that he was repeating without context, or he meant some other group of guards.  Given the connection between Lysma and England, I have wondered from time to time if this "Soames" wasn't the person meant.  But this is all very nebulous until I can locate the book I read the "Englishman" quote in...

Far as I can discover, the families carrying the name Soames were not Letts but English from Sussex.  And, the names associated with this family is everyone from Churchill to Lady Diane Spencer.....  Yes, it's quite a list of important people in 1918 to the present.

I haven't found any Zoames at this time.

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[_mysterious]

1. Commandant Yakov Yurovsky - Tsaritsa  
2. Peter Ermakov - Tsar

If Yurovsky was not assigned to the Tsar then why did he shoot him?   Awefully disorganized. I personally don't think Yurovsky was as on top of things as he said he was.  :-/  Oh yes, and on a different thread I heard,

Adolf Lepa, one of the Letts who refused to shoot the family, was left guarding the truck in the forest while Yurovsky and the others scouted the forest for mineshafts.

Is there anymore information that can be found on this guy?