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« Reply #75 on: December 04, 2006, 09:15:34 AM »
Yes, Rob, that's fair enough. For my own valid reasons I personally choose not to join the kingandwilson forum, but I know that there are other options for dealing with this type of thing, which may take somewhat longer but will be a lot more effective in the end. Sorry to have caused trouble over this for you and Bob, it was certainly not intentional - things just got out of hand, as they often do when it comes to "that book" - for many people - not just us, as you know. Not least of which is because I deplore the idea of censorship, but I understand your reasons for it, even although I don't agree with the methods, I do understand what we are dealing with here.

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Re: Shooters of Nich. II and Other Romanovs
« Reply #76 on: December 04, 2006, 11:01:32 AM »
Subject is SHOOTERS of the Romanovs.

One of the subjects we were discussing was:
I read that the "latvian" executioners were actually Hungarians, one of them being Imre Nagy, the leader of the 1956 Hungarian revolution.

Could any clarify this?

I'll try. Ekaterinburg was sufficiently provincial a city in 1918 that the term "Latvian" was not used with great precision. It was rather loosely used to refer to someone "who's not from around here" So, as a term used in that city at that time, the only thing "Latvian" tells us is that the person was not from that part of the Urals.

Imre Nagy was unquestionably in Russia as a prisoner of war at that time but there is no good evidence I know of that he was part of the execution squad. There were many lists floating around for many years, but the best I can tell is that Soames was the only Latvian on the squad and Lascher the only Austro-Hungarian POW in that group.

Can anyone quote what Nagy wrote about his claim of having taken part in the execution? 

Thanks.

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« Reply #77 on: December 04, 2006, 01:02:11 PM »
AGRB - Imre Nagy never to my knowledge made a claim to be part of the execution squad. As Anna Anderson once said, if everyone who ever claimed that could be brought together, they would have taken up all the space in the murder room.

He never claimed this, and so he never to my knowledge wrote about this. He was a POW of the Russians from I believe 1915 on. He became a Communist while in Russia. He was eventually murdered by the Bolsheviks, too.

I thought I made it clear that this claim was most likely made by the KGB to discredit Nagy in the West. I do not believe he was part of the squad.

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« Reply #78 on: December 04, 2006, 02:38:58 PM »
Sorry AGRBear, I didn't make myself clear. Nagy never claimed to have benn a member of the execution squad.

As Lisa said it was probably a story spread by the Soviets to discredit him when he broke with Moscow.

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Re: Shooters of Nich. II and Other Romanovs
« Reply #79 on: October 02, 2007, 11:10:28 AM »
Bumping this up  since Annie has started a thread about what happen to the uncrown Tsar Michael's body.

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