Author Topic: A little cyrillic help?  (Read 24900 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Rodney_G.

  • Guest
A little cyrillic help?
« on: March 01, 2007, 06:51:43 PM »


 ??? This is awkward but please bear with me.
 Is the English letter t ever represented in Cyrillic by what looks like a small cursive "m" ? As in the candies m&m's. Ordinarily cursive cyrillic "t" looks the same as the roman(english) "t" , doesn't it? But I've seen AHacmacya  for Anastasia.               Sorry, It's hard to represent it typed.
Also, Ive seen mamiaHa for Tatiana. These would be their names in what's supposed to be their own handwriting.Are any Russian readers familiar with this apparent variant? Again, to (try) to be clear, this is a standard cursive small "m" instead of    what is otherwise the "t"   in  standard cyrillic cursive forms of Anastasia and Tatiana.Help ;)

Offline Belochka

  • Velikye Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 4447
  • City of Peter stand in all your splendor - Pushkin
    • View Profile
Re: A little cyrillic help?
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2007, 07:23:05 PM »
When typed the English letter "t" on the Russian keyboard becomes:  Император

Anastasia is Анас
тасия and Tatiana becomes Татьяна.

Handwriting is different. I write the capital letter "T" using 3 lines with a wavy "squiggle" at the top, and the small "т" becomes an "
m"

Маргарита
  :)


Faces of Russia is now on Facebook!


http://www.searchfoundationinc.org/

Offline Sarushka

  • Velikye Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 6489
  • May I interest you in a grain of salt?
    • View Profile
Re: A little cyrillic help?
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2007, 07:42:21 PM »
Here's a chart of Russian handwriting to help you out:



(The "t" variant you've noticed is at the end of the 4th row -- #20.)

And here's a sample of my own Russian writing with the typrwritten equivalent:
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/cyrillic.jpg
« Last Edit: March 01, 2007, 07:44:38 PM by Sarushka »
THE LOST CROWN: A Novel of Romanov Russia -- now in paperback!
"A dramatic, powerful narrative and a masterful grasp of life in this vanished world." ~Greg King

Rodney_G.

  • Guest
Re: A little cyrillic help?
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2007, 03:10:22 PM »

 Margarita and Sarushka,
 
 Outstanding! You both confirmed and explained the problem I was dealing with.
  Sarushka, your handwriting chart and the one with the three forms of the IF's names was exactly what I was looking for and extremely helpful. I've printed out copies of both. Learning to recognise and read Russian will still be difficult and slow but now I have at least a very good basic standard.   :) I have even more admiration (and sympathy) for the Imperial children, (or anyone) learning not just two lor more languages simultaneously, but two different alphabets. :)

Offline Belochka

  • Velikye Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 4447
  • City of Peter stand in all your splendor - Pushkin
    • View Profile
Re: A little cyrillic help?
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2007, 11:40:17 PM »

 Margarita and Sarushka,
 
 Outstanding! You both confirmed and explained the problem I was dealing with.

I am delighted to have helped you!

Margarita
  :)


Faces of Russia is now on Facebook!


http://www.searchfoundationinc.org/

Offline Sarushka

  • Velikye Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 6489
  • May I interest you in a grain of salt?
    • View Profile
Re: A little cyrillic help?
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2007, 10:24:08 AM »
  Sarushka, your handwriting chart and the one with the three forms of the IF's names was exactly what I was looking for and extremely helpful. I've printed out copies of both. Learning to recognise and read Russian will still be difficult and slow but now I have at least a very good basic standard.   :)

You're very welcome!

Keep in mind that my writing is a little more "American" (which is to say, rounded) than most native Russians' and Europeans' handwriting. It's also about halfway between print and script. I seem to write a bit like a kindergarten teacher when it comes to Cyrillic. ;)
THE LOST CROWN: A Novel of Romanov Russia -- now in paperback!
"A dramatic, powerful narrative and a masterful grasp of life in this vanished world." ~Greg King

Offline Georgiy

  • Velikye Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 2024
  • Slava v vyshnikh Bogu
    • View Profile
Re: A little cyrillic help?
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2007, 10:52:31 PM »
Also, remember that there were extra letters in the Russian alphabet before 1918, that affect almost their names.

Offline Sarushka

  • Velikye Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 6489
  • May I interest you in a grain of salt?
    • View Profile
Re: A little cyrillic help?
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2007, 11:02:57 PM »
Also, remember that there were extra letters in the Russian alphabet before 1918, that affect almost their names.
Oh gosh yes, that's true! I'd forgotten. I'm no good with pre-revolutionary spelling, I'm afraid....
THE LOST CROWN: A Novel of Romanov Russia -- now in paperback!
"A dramatic, powerful narrative and a masterful grasp of life in this vanished world." ~Greg King

dunya

  • Guest
Re: A little cyrillic help?
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2007, 01:03:55 PM »
Sarushka I liked your handwriting !

Even better & readible than mine   :'(
Cheers  :)

MollokoPlus

  • Guest
Re: A little cyrillic help?
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2007, 12:58:34 AM »
And to further confuse us, some typefaces ("fonts") use the cursive style for the t.

Offline Georgiy

  • Velikye Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 2024
  • Slava v vyshnikh Bogu
    • View Profile
Re: A little cyrillic help?
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2007, 09:50:58 PM »
Well, the italic version of т is m . Also, Russians learn cursive right from the start of schooling, and so you would see 'm' more often than not, though some people do a cursive т that looks like the printed version.

Naslednik Norvezhskiy

  • Guest
Re: A little cyrillic help?
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2010, 12:39:10 AM »
Oh, my God! Here is a sure proof of the world actually progressing to new and higher levels! I just found out that you can write Cyrillic in italics in Open Office in a font called URW Chancery L. 
And it works here on the Forum too! Just apply the Font Face button (big red A in upper right corner above the window) to the text and exchange the default Verdana with URW Chancery style and you get this, m-style t's and all:

Фёдор Петрович Бъергов
Провинциальный секретарь


How cool is that! :-)

Plain "Chancery" gives you this font so familar from Russian texts:

Фёдор Петрович Бъергов
Провинциальный секретарь
« Last Edit: February 08, 2010, 12:47:57 AM by Rœrik »

tutsi

  • Guest
Re: A little cyrillic help?
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2010, 04:19:11 AM »
Oh clap clap! Well said (and written too!)
PS. Love the dragon!

Naslednik Norvezhskiy

  • Guest
Re: A little cyrillic help?
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2010, 09:49:49 PM »
Oh, my God! Here is a sure proof of the world actually progressing to new and higher levels! I just found out that you can write Cyrillic in italics in Open Office in a font called URW Chancery L.  
And it works here on the Forum too! Just apply the Font Face button (big red A in upper right corner above the window) to the text and exchange the default Verdana with URW Chancery style and you get this, m-style t's and all:

Фёдор Петрович Бъергов
Провинциальный секретарь

Looks like it reverted back from italics?
Here is a new try:

Фёдор Петрович Бъергов
Провинциальный секретарь

Naslednik Norvezhskiy

  • Guest
Re: A little Gothic help?
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2010, 06:11:52 AM »
Haha, you can change the font here in the forum to Schwabacher (uſe the red A button), but does anybody know whether we can uſe any German Gothic Curſive?
(I have downloaded one to my computer and can uſe it in Word, but it didn't ſeem to work here.)