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Re: The Missing Bodies
« Reply #420 on: October 24, 2007, 06:50:23 PM »
I don't have the photo of the actual gun but this is what a Browning made in Belgium in 1900 looks like:



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Re: The Missing Bodies
« Reply #421 on: October 24, 2007, 07:11:02 PM »


A drawing of a 1903 Browning made in Belgium.

You can see how the bullets  (7.65) are placed in this 32 clliber metric gun.  It is not 7.73.   Information  to  Maples may have been in error.

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Re: The Missing Bodies
« Reply #422 on: October 24, 2007, 07:25:25 PM »
Looking for a 28 Caliber Browing:

http://www.huntingsociety.org/HistBrowning.html

>>February, 1900 Colt placed a Browning designed 28 caliber recoil operated semi-automatic pistol on the market. It was the first semi-automatic pistol in the United States. <<


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Re: The Missing Bodies
« Reply #423 on: October 24, 2007, 07:47:02 PM »
Bear what difference does it make what the gun looked like? What are you getting at?

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Re: The Missing Bodies
« Reply #424 on: October 25, 2007, 02:31:15 AM »
Bear what difference does it make what the gun looked like? What are you getting at?

IMO there is forensic interest, for me at least, to view the Browning models that Bear has presented here.

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Re: The Missing Bodies
« Reply #425 on: October 25, 2007, 10:51:00 AM »
The bullets, yes, but the guns' designs? Oh well, it just doesn't interest me but if it's important, go for it!

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Re: The Missing Bodies
« Reply #426 on: October 25, 2007, 12:16:53 PM »
I am glad others are curious,  too.

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Re: The Missing Bodies
« Reply #427 on: October 25, 2007, 01:11:44 PM »
Browning 1900  revolver bullet:



Found at:
http://guns4u.info/?p=461

Bullet caliber  7,65 X 17 mm

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Re: The Missing Bodies
« Reply #428 on: October 25, 2007, 02:40:33 PM »


Browning M 1903.

http://www.loni.hr/browning/brow1903/brow1903.htm

>>• M 1903 was the service weapon in the following countries: Sweden and Turkey • it was used by the Russian gendarmes<<

Caliber:  9 mm  Browning Long

Browning History http://www.huntingsociety.org/HistBrowning.html :  >>Summer 1903 At the request of F.N., Browning developed a 9mm military semi-automatic pistol. <<


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Re: The Missing Bodies
« Reply #429 on: October 25, 2007, 03:14:12 PM »
Good information in  one place:

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg118-e.htm

>>>FN - Browning M 1903 pistol cross-section drawing

Type: Single Action, Semi-automatic pistol
Chamber: 9x20mm SR Browning Long, 7.65x17mm SR Browning (.32ACP)
Weight unloaded: 930 g
Length: 205 mm
Barrel length: 127 mm
Capacity: 7 rounds (9mm) or 8 rounds (7.65mm)

The M1903 was the second production blowback-operated pistol, designed by famous American arms designer John Browning by 1902 and patented in 1903. Also known as the Browning No.2 pistol, this design was a serious improvement over the older No.1 (FN - Browning M1900) pistol. At the same time Browning developed the recoil-operated M1900 for Colt. This design also was manufactured by the Colt Firearms Co of USA as the Colt M1903 pocket pistol, chambered in .32ACP (7.65mm). Both FN and Colt produced this design until 1930s. In Europe, The FN M1903 became a favorite police pistol, and also was adopted by several armies, included Belgian, Dutch, Turkish and Swedish ones, as well as by Imperial Russian police. It was manufactured in Sweden under license at Husqvarna Vapenfabriks from 1917 and until 1942, as the 9mm M/1907. In the USA, the Colt m1903 became popular as a civilian self-defense pistol, and also was issued to the senior army officers and generals as a standard self-defense weapon. FN built slightly less than 60 000 M1903 pistols, plus Husqvarna built another 94 000 pistols.

This pistol can be called as a forerunner of most semi-automatic pistols in the world, in one or another respect. Significantly underpowered by modern standards, it was, however, reliable, accurate and comfortable to carry and fire. It also offered much faster reloading procedure than any of contemporary military revolvers.

Technical description.
The Browning M1903 (does not matter, if it was made by FN in Belgium or by Colt in USA), is a blowback operated, semi-automatic pistol. The recoil spring was located under the barrel, as in most modern pistols. The single action trigger unit has a concealed hammer (Colt also produced similar models with open hammers). The non-pivoting trigger is somewhat similar to the latter Colt/Browning M1911 trigger. Manual safety switch is located at the left side of the frame, above the grip panel. When engaged, it locks the sear and the slide. It also locks the slide in the open position for disassembly. Additional automatic grip safety locked the sear unless the gun is properly held in the palm. Barrel is locked to the frame by several radial ribs. To disassemble the pistol, one must retract the slide, lock it open with the safety, then rotate barrel out of engagement with the frame, and then remove barrel and slide. Automatic slide stop (hold open) device was also incorporated, with the visible lever located at the right side of the frame, above the triggerguard. Single stack magazine is inserted in to the butt and locked by the lever at the heel of the grip. Military issue pistols also had lanyard ring on the left side of the grip.<<<

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Re: The Missing Bodies
« Reply #430 on: October 26, 2007, 09:22:12 AM »

1895  Nagant  revolvers
Caliber 7.62


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Re: The Missing Bodies
« Reply #431 on: October 26, 2007, 10:29:12 AM »
Yurovsky used a Colt .45 revolver.



This is a Colt 45 made in 1914.

It is not the one Yurovsky used, however.

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Caliber 7.65

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Re: The Missing Bodies
« Reply #432 on: October 26, 2007, 10:52:34 AM »


Mauser.  A photo of the actual gun which Ermakov claimed he used to kill Nicholas II.

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Caliber was 7.63

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Re: The Missing Bodies
« Reply #433 on: October 26, 2007, 11:21:33 AM »
Bear,
You have really done a lot of interesting research. The information about the guns is a good example of that. Thank you for sharing.
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Re: The Missing Bodies
« Reply #434 on: October 28, 2007, 10:06:51 AM »
Thanks Lexi.
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Here is more information on the Mauser:

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg90-e.htm

>>>The development of the C-96 began in 1893 or 1894. Most work had been done by the Federle brothers, who worked for the Mauser company. Final design appeared early in 1895 and had been patented by Paul Mauser. Production began in 1896. The C-96 had been offered for the German Military but failed. However, C-96 has a long and sucessfull story on the civilian market - being offered as a pistol-carbine, it outperformed in effective range most of contemorary pistols and revolvers, being especially popular with travelers and hunters in the areas where big animals are rare or absent at all. C-96 first saw military action during the Boer war in South Africa (1899-1902). During the First World War C-96 had been aquired by the German Army due to the lack of the stantart issue Luger P-08 pistols.<<

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