Theories About the Survial of the Imperial Family ... What if?

[rskkiya]

I believe tht the publisher of this OPUS later admitted it was a piece of fiction ... (James Bond is not a real secret agent - even though James Bond was the name of a real person. )

Just because a book mentions people alive in 1920, that really doesn't prove anything. Let me give you an example --Hint Have you ever seen The Blair Witch a "documentary" from the late 1990's?

rskkiya

[helenazar]

Just because a book mentions people alive...that really doesn't prove anything. Let me give you an example --Hint Have you ever seen The Blair Witch a "documentary" from the late 1990's?

rskkiya

Let me give another example: Ever hear of Orson Wells and his 1950's radio program that broadcasted, live, the progress of the "martian invasion" of Princeton Junction, NJ, - hint - hint?  

[Alice]

The plans for their immediate escape from Tobolsk thus seem all the more critical and credible.  

Yes, but they didn't escape, and they did go to Ekaterinburg. There is a mountain of evidence to prove this, including all the people who saw them in Ekaterinburg (including members of the suite, the sisters from the church, the Priest, and the guards). Total, approx 50 or more people. Gibbes and Gilliard were on the train with the three Grand Duchesses and Alexei, to Ekaterinburg (albeit in a separate carriage).

Also, there are letters from IF in Ekaterinburg, to friends and family. These would've all had to've been forged, and the forgers would had to've forged at least 10 different styles of handwriting.

As I said, a mountain of evidence to prove it. I'm sorry, it's simply not plausible that they were never in Ekaterinburg.

[Forum Admin]

Candice.
Volkov was there too. He escaped being shot, and lived to tell the story. He was alive and well in Paris in the 1920s. He accompanied Alexei and the GDs on the Rus, he watched them all get into carriages to be taken to the Ipatiev house. Volkov was a long time army officer and Alexandra's personal valet, hugely devoted to the Imperial Family. He had no motive to lie, quite the opposite, he would have moved heaven and earth to find the children if they had escaped.
Candice, your statements honestly do go beyond historical speculation into the realm of pure fantasy. Critical thinking requires ALL the evidence be taken into account and judged. Frankly, there is NO evidence of logical reliability to support your statements.

[LisaDavidson]

Also, I think there is a significant difference between "thinking outside the box", which is what Candice thinks she's doing and exercising selective judgement, which she appears to actually be doing. With selective judgement, one either ignores or rejects evidence that doesn't fit one's pet theory. That's not as the FA points out, critical thinking, and I agree.

It is also disturbing to me that even with the word of RTC's publisher's daughter in law that the book is an admitted work of fiction, that Candice continues to think of its contents as "evidence". This book was written to entice a movie deal from W.R. Hearst. That's why the story was made up. Capice?

[Merrique]

Unfortunately it seems that some people will continue to believe in far fetched escape stories and fictinous books no matter what the evidence says to the contrary.Thinking outside the box is one thing but believing in utter fantasy is quite another.It's rather sad really. :-/

[Annie]

Just because a book mentions people alive in 1920, that really doesn't prove anything. Let me give you an example --Hint Have you ever seen The Blair Witch a "documentary" from the late 1990's?

rskkiya

That actually tricked me, my husband and my brother the first time we saw it. We were creeped out by the TV special introducing the movie, and it wasn't until my brother investigated in online the next day we realized we'd been had. We felt so dumb, but it had been very convincing. But when you think about it, things didn't add up. The area they put it in (MD) is not exactly remote wilderness, there would be no place to keep walking through the woods without running  into a road at least every mile or 2. Also being from VA and being history buffs it was strange we had not heard of this story before. We were taken in at first and it was cold chill inducing, it would have been fun to  have it be real, but it wasn't.

[helenazar]

Thanks, FA for the reply on Volkov's book. I think I will wait for the translation  

Many people were tricked by the Orson Wells broadcast, from what I understand, to a point where a few people actually decided to kill themselves thinking that NJ has been invaded by the martians... Moral of the story: anything that is broadcast or published, no matter how outlandish, will be accepted as gospel truth by some percentage of the population

[Abby]

That actually tricked me, my husband and my brother the first time we saw it. We were creeped out by the TV special introducing the movie, and it wasn't until my brother investigated in online the next day we realized we'd been had. We felt so dumb, but it had been very convincing. But when you think about it, things didn't add up. The area they put it in (MD) is not exactly remote wilderness, there would be no place to keep walking through the woods without running  into a road at least every mile or 2. Also being from VA and being history buffs it was strange we had not heard of this story before. We were taken in at first and it was cold chill inducing, it would have been fun to  have it be real, but it wasn't.

annie the same thing happened with me and my family when we saw that film! I went online later and realized that it was a hoax but they made it sooo beleivable! it was actually shot in Burkitsville, MD, and we went to that town out of curiosity on our way down south on vacation one year, and it is actually pretty woodsy and creepy.

[Annie]

annie the same thing happened with me and my family when we saw that film! I went online later and realized that it was a hoax but they made it sooo beleivable! it was actually shot in Burkitsville, MD, and we went to that town out of curiosity on our way down south on vacation one year, and it is actually pretty woodsy and creepy.

Good at least I know we're not alone! I think a lot of people were tricked. I haven't been there but my brother went. He said it was creepy too, but the woods weren't as deep as they made it look on the show. It was a good idea!

[AGRBear]

I believe tht the publisher of this OPUS later admitted it was a piece of fiction ... (James Bond is not a real secret agent - even though James Bond was the name of a real person. )

Just because a book mentions people alive in 1920, that really doesn't prove anything. Let me give you an example --Hint Have you ever seen The Blair Witch a "documentary" from the late 1990's?

rskkiya

To add to your education Rskkiya,  James Bond was based on a very real person known to the world as Sidney Reily, Ace of Spies.
A very interesting character who fought Bolsheviks and exposed the TRUST and for this service to the world outside Russia, the CHEKA arrested him and it is assume they executed him....

PBS just finished rerunning Reilly's  life story based on the British Lockhart's view of the events.

If any of you get a chance to see Reilly, Ace of Spies,  it shows a great deal about Russia and  and the various political games being played around the world during WWI to ...  I've forgotten if the year was 1925 or a  year or two later.....

I did not see the movie on the Blair Witch, so,  I have no comments....  

AGRBear

[rskkiya]

Agrbear...
 (DEEP SIGH) Yes-- I know about Sydney Reilly and the supposed connection to the fictional character of  James bond...   I was trying to point out the difference between fact and fiction -- to Candice!

Speaking of fact or fiction -- how is Herr X?

rskkiya

[AGRBear]

Agrbear...
  (DEEP SIGH) Yes-- I know about Sydney Reilly and the supposed connection to the fictional character of  James bond...   I was trying to point out the difference between fact and fiction -- to Candice!

Speaking of fact or fiction -- how is Herr X?

rskkiya

"...supposed connection"  can be changed to just "connection" since Ian Flemming voiced the connection in his interviews, and, mentions Reilly in his first book about Bond.

It is too bad that the SIS didn't give Reilly the task of rescuing Nicholas II and his family.   Even though Reilly wasn't happy with the Romanovs and preferred someone else as Russia's next ruler, whom Lenin and Stalin ended up fearing and whom Stalin had executed,  Reilly might have done so just because it would have caused the Bolsheviks/communists anquish.

AGRBear

[olga]

Earth to AGRBear.........

[rskkiya]

Agrbear ...
Are you quite alright?  You do realize that your posts really don't make any sense--don't you?

"Too bad that Reilly wasn't sent for the IF...'
   
OK...it's just too bad that the space aliens got there first!

Dear--surely "thinking outside the box" does not mean getting delusional --does it?

rskkiya