Theories About the Survial of the Imperial Family ... What if?

[AGRBear]

Earth to AGRBear.........

Agrbear ...
Are you quite alright?  You do realize that your posts really don't make any sense--don't you?

"Too bad that Reilly wasn't sent for the IF...'
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 OK...it's just too bad that the space aliens got there first!

Dear--surely "thinking outside the box" does not mean getting delusional --does it?

rskkiya

I'm not exactly sure how the subject jumped from Reilly and the Imperial Family to space aliens or making claims that I am delusional,  but then,  I am no longer surprised by the conclusions these two make.  

If anyone else was confused,  let me restate.  When Rskkkyia mentioned Reilly,  I merely gave some facts about Reilly, Bond and Ian Flemming.  Then,  I went off into the direction about Reilly, who was one of the most sucessfull spies working for the British SIS and who was Russian,  might have sucessfully rescued the IF if he had been given this task.  

Far as I can see through all the books I've read,  there had been no one [whom we officially know about at this time]  who had the real ability and man power to rescue the IF who even tried, and, that is sad.

AGRBear

[rskkiya]

There was an attempt to explain the difference to Candice between the factual historical evidence and the suppositions suggested in 'Rescuing the Czar,'  one of her favourite 'sources'.

rskkiya

[AGRBear]

There was an attempt to explain the difference to Candice between the factual historical evidence and the suppositions suggested in 'Rescuing the Czar,'  one of her favourite 'sources'.

rskkiya

According to an excellent source,  we've learned Rescuing the Czar was  "fiction" written in hopes to make money for the author.

The author, Romanovsky,  is an interesting character and his facts about various people are revealing.....

The rescue the author presents, however, probably is not true.  

Why would he write about a rescue if it were not true?  Many people out there could answer that question better than I but I'll make an attempt.  Men like the author, Romanovsky,  were trying to defeat Lenin and his Red Army and they needed money just as much as they needed people to believe  Alexei was still alive and and could be placed on the throne upon victory of his followers.  

I assume he deliberately made Alexei appear to be capable of running and digging even though his hemophilia would not have allowed Alexei to do any of these things at this time due to his last attack on the night of the 16.17 of July 1918.  Why?  I assume there was a continued need for the public to think Alexei was healthy and quite capable of ruling Russia for the next forty years....

If Romanovsky was actually going to use the money earned for the fight against the Bolsheviks or for his own use are factors outside my knowledge.

The book  THE PLOTS TO RESCUE THE TSAR by Shay McNeal who  "challenges" other historians and their views, presents different pieces of "evidence".  She goes into great detail about the author, Romanovsky, of Rescuing the Czar.   Most posters on this board do not think McNeal has given accurate challenges because she failed to understand that the rescue, itself, was fictional.   If you have read almost everything else and looking for something different,  I found this book interesting because it doesn't follow the usual path.  She does state in her introduction in the first paragraph the following:  "...Although the standard account of their execution by a Bolshevik firing squad ws questioned from the very begninning, it has never been disproven."  She does state her sources which in themselves are interesting.  I would not recommend it as a first read nor the tenth....  I repeat, I do not recommend Shay McNeal's book as an early read....  I did read it because I believe it never is a mistake to read all opinions.

AGRBear

[rskkiya]

I agree with Elizaveta's comment ...
"RTC' and "Plot" are at best works of fictions, and at worst conspiratorial ramblings...

rskkiya

[Georgiy]

Alexei's last attack on 16/17 July?
i thought that he was still suffering from a prolonged haemorage (sp?!) sustained at Tobolsk, not a new one - in fact he was well on the way to recovery as he was able to have a bath in Ekaterinburg.

[AGRBear]

"I assume he deliberately made Alexei appear to be capable of running and digging even though his hemophilia would not have allowed Alexei to do any of these things at this time due to his last attack on the night of the 16.17 of July 1918."

I didn't mean to imply he had a hemorage on the night of 16/17 of July but was referring to the attack of which he was recovering.

There is another part of this picture that bothers me.  Alexei, who was probably taller than his father at this point in time, was said to have been carried down to the basement....  Could he not walk at all at this point in time?  Also,  he wasn't a child anymore and was tall and heavy....  Perhaps too much for one man to carry???  Most people continue to picture him as being a boy but he wasn't any longer.  He was a young man.  What do the rest of you think?

AGRBear

[olga]

So what's your point AGRBear?

[AGRBear]

To me it appears there "is something wrong with this picture".

Massie wrote p. 4 in THE ROMANOVS, THE FINAL CHAPTER:

"...Nicholas followed, carrying his son, who could not walk, Alexis, crippled by hemophilia, was a thin, musular adolencent weighing eighty pounds but the tsar managed without stumbling."

Page 303 in King and Wilson's THE FATE OF THE ROMANOVS:
"Nicholas came first, carrying Alexei in his arms."

A fifty two year old man carried his son, who was taller than himself and probably weighed 120 pounds, not eighty,  not only [p. 304 FOTR] across a level floor but down a secondary stairs, across a courtyard area to another short flight of steps to the ground floor, through several or more hallways, through the guardroom  to the opposite end of the house, and, finally, they entered the "execution room"  ....

So, what do you think?  Possible?  Not likely?  Not probable?

AGRBear

[Forum Admin]

I don't recall anywhere seeing that Nicholas necessarily carried Alexei the entire way. The only descriptions say he carried him down the stairs into the basement. I think you're grasping at straws to discredit the story when possible.

[rskkiya]

Agrb

  Quite possible ... and as a number of witnesses have testified to this, evidently very likely  ie" :-- this was what happened!
  Please clarify--does "thinking outside the box" usually mean questioning the most basic facts?

(insert icon of profound frustration here)
rskkiya

[Georgiy]

I understand the Tsar was physically quite strong, so probably no problem to carry his son down the stairs. He might have done a bit of carrying of the Tsarevich around in the last few months...

[Candice]

AGRbear, you raise some very interesting points.

[Forum Admin]

More problems:
There are no reports of any missing "guards" at the time. In fact, most of them seem to be accounted for. It seems rather strange that no one seemed to notice a dozen GUARDS missing, but so many people all knew the IF was missing, no??

[AGRBear]

I think your reply about the "five guards missing" belongs on another thread about  "Grab At Straws".  I'll answer over there...
http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=anastasia;action=display;num=1103390507;start=25#30

Rskkyia:  Yes,  I will question all "basic facts" about these events or any events because often times what people precieve as being "basic facts" are often  just words repeated over and over until these stories give the appearance of "basic facts" which they may or may not be.  Any good investigator makes her/his own conclusion on facts she/he find.


Happy Holidays Everyone!

AGRBear

[Valmont]

AGR Bear,
You make me wonder if it is ok I tell my  five years old niece ALL this stories filled with fantasies and fiction to keep her quiet and calm. I certaily would not like her to spend  all her life trying to probe Dragons, fairies and marmaids  do exist...based on the fact that Princesses and princes are real....

Happy hollydays...