Theories About the Survial of the Imperial Family ... What if?

[Dandywell]

Just to answer the question: What do you think happened to the IF?
My brain tells me they all died that night, my gut that it doesn't make sense, and my heart that I should keep searching, even if what my brain knows turns out to be true. That's why I'm on these boards.

[AGRBear]

I've been trying to discover the answer to what really happen to the Imperial Family on the night of 16/17 July 1918 since I was in High School and that was a long time ago, since I'm coming up to my 45 Reunion this Aug..  

AGRBear

PS  I'm not sure how asking the question about Nicholas II carrying Alexis at such a distance has placed me into fairyland with mermaids and dragons???

AGR Bear,
You make me wonder if it is ok I tell my  five years old niece ALL this stories filled with fantasies and fiction to keep her quiet and calm. I certaily would not like her to spend  all her life trying to probe Dragons, fairies and marmaids  do exist...based on the fact that Princesses and princes are real....

Happy hollydays...

[Valmont]

I thought you had previously said you KNEW what really had happened that night... Her XXX told you when you were five years old... Remember???

[rskkiya]

Agrbear
    Please do enlighten us - what was your deep family secret? This really has all gone on for far too long -- as a farm girl, you will no doubt be familiar with the phrase, Fish or Cut Bait...Hmmmm?


rskkiya

[jolie]

rskkiya,

I can hear you tappin' your foot from here!!

[AGRBear]

I don't recall anywhere seeing that Nicholas necessarily carried Alexei the entire way. The only descriptions say he carried him down the stairs into the basement. I think you're grasping at straws to discredit the story when possible.

Am I mistaken when most have claimed Alexei couldn't walk and this is why Nicholas II carried him?  Could Alexei walk?  Had he recovered by this time?   [Note: By recovery,  I assume this doesn't mean he was able to run and jump.]

AGRBear

[LisaDavidson]

Bear, why are you not answering Rskkiya's direct question?

[Candice]

ABGbear, I think Alxei may have recovered from the desease whatever that may have been.  It was probably a desease that resembled Haemophilia having very similar symptoms.  It's amazing how Rasputin was able to heal him every time he had a relapse. May be Rasputin actually healed him?

There are many people with Haemophilia and they're quite fit and live a normal life.

[AGRBear]

Bear, why are you not answering Rskkiya's direct question?

My first post was in April on the thread about how a person becomes interested in the Romanovs.

http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=family;action=post;num=1076602118;quote=74;title=Post+reply;start=50

Way back in April,  I did answer Rskkiya's direct question and I quote:

In 1947-8, I was told two of  Nicholas II's children escaped the execution of the communists, so, it did not surprise me when I read  in the newspapers the report which stated two of Nicholas II's childen were missing from the shallow grave revealed to the public in the 1990s.
AGRBear

Perhaps,  you should ask  her and her friends why they continue to ask about my childhood story when they already know the answer. 

AGRBear

PS  I really do hope I don't have to post this too many more times, since it's probably boring the heck out of everyone.

[Alice]

There are many people with Haemophilia and they're quite fit and live a normal life.

This is because:

Since the 1970s, doctors have successfully treated people with haemophilia by injecting them with clotting factors which can be purified from donated blood.

Source:
http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/exhibitions/genes/214.asp


Obviously, Alexei, who was born in 1904, could not have had this treatment.

[AGRBear]

ABGbear, I think Alxei may have recovered from the decease whatever that may have been.  It was probably a decease that resembled Haemophilia having very similar symptoms.  It's amazing how Rasputin was able to heal him every time he had a relapse. May be Rasputin actually healed him?

There are many people with Haemophilia and they're quite fit and live a normal life.

I believe you, or someone else, has suggested Alexei may not have had hemophilia on another thread.  Other posters have voiced how they are certain he did.   I really don't know the answer.

If I was trying to discover the answer,  I'd go and see who the doctors were.  What their training was?  Had they dealt with hemophilia patience during the course of the careers?  Did they call in experts who did know the answers even if they did not?  

After the research,  I suspect you'll find Nicholas II drew into his son's sick room all the experts.....

As to treatment in those days, it appears from what occured with Alexei's bouts of hemorages that the doctors didn't know very much nor did they have any magic drugs.  A good example was the fact the doctors were giving Alexei aspirn, which has a thinning agent...

Since Alexandra's family was known to have this medical problem,  I suspect if there was any kind of drug known, the Romanov's would have known about it.  But, then,  I may be quite wrong.  

Wish I had an answer for you Candice, but I don't.

AGRBear

[Alice]

I think we can reasonably make the assumption that Alexei had haemophilia, for the following reasons:

1. The doctors that treated him diagnosed his disease as haemophilia.

2. Haemophilia is a known hereditary disease within the royal families of Europe; and

3. Alexei's symptoms suggest haemophilia.

[Martyn]

I think we can reasonably make the assumption that Alexei had haemophilia, for the following reasons:

1. The doctors that treated him diagnosed his disease as haemophilia.

2. Haemophilia is a known hereditary disease within the royal families of Europe; and

3. Alexei's symptoms suggest haemophilia.

Does it need to be any more plainly expressed than that, or must we endure more speculation about what his illness really was?

[AGRBear]

I am not a fan of any claimants.  [Thought I needed to makes this fact VERY clear.]

Since Candice has mentioned the possibility that GD Alexei may not have had hemophilia/haemophilia,  I pulled out my recently purchased book THE ESCAPE OF ALEXEI, SON OF TSAR NCHOLAS II by Petrov, Lysenho and Egorov on the claimant Vasily Filatov.  On p.  124 there is a discussion about Filatov's blood disorder called "hemiparesis" when compared to hemophilia.

According to Alice and others,  they are absolutely positive that GD Alexei did not have "hemiparesis" and did have hemophilia/haemophilia.

For those of you newbies,  this is what is being discussed, I think.

There is more about Filatov over in the claimant thread.

Can someone give us the thread where the differences between "hemiparesis" and hemophilia was discussed some months ago in this forum?

Again,  I have no information and will let the experts work out this answer, unless, they have already.  Have they?  Source please.

AGRBear

[Abby]

AGRBear,

it was discussed in length on this thread, however i read no mention of "hemiparesis" but instead a disorder called Thrombocytopenia.
http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=alexei;action=display;num=1102886085

another hemophelia thread:
http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=alexei;action=display;num=1102890591