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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« Reply #585 on: December 28, 2008, 10:36:37 AM »

Yes, and it isn't only about, that the lady on the picture is similar or not: I can't believe that Elisabeth would allow to photograph herself in 1896 with that many people, it is wellknown, that she hated and avoided occassions like this...

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« Reply #586 on: December 28, 2008, 10:48:22 AM »
Beautiful photo of Sisi :

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« Reply #587 on: December 29, 2008, 12:47:18 PM »
Thank you all for confirmation! ;)
I pressumed such an answer, but didnt know it for sure. Thin waist of that woman confused me a bit.
Thanks again.

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« Reply #588 on: June 22, 2010, 08:43:53 AM »
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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« Reply #589 on: June 23, 2010, 07:55:34 AM »
I also think that Gisela and Marie Valérie had a good relationship. When Valérie was still unmarried, Gisela and her family often went to Vienna or Bad Ischl where they stayed for more than two months. Above all, Gisela loved to stay at the Hermesvilla (which was built for Empress Elisabeth, but unfortunately she didn't like it) where some rooms where named after her.

I don't think that Marie Valérie visited Bavaria very often, but nevertheless the sisters were in contact. They met at different family celebrations, health resorts and again and again in the area around Vienna as both of the girls loved their father Franz Joseph so much.

It seems like Franz Joseph, Elisabeth and their daughters shared their letters all the time. In FJ's letters you can usually read "I sent you Gisela's letter ..." or "I don't know if you have heard from Valérie so far, so here is her letter ...", etc. So everyone got the latest news from the other family members. That's really nice.
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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« Reply #590 on: June 23, 2010, 12:17:00 PM »
I don't know if Elizabeth (Sisi) was that much interested in her family, especially Gisela. She felt like a gypsy, although I am sure FJ kept her up to date on the happenings of the family. Her later years showed a tendency to became less interested in worldly things (even Marie Valerie).

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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« Reply #591 on: June 23, 2010, 12:27:28 PM »
Perhaps she lost interest in Marie Valerie on her last years because on those days she was married and didn't spend too much time with her, about Gisela, she never had much interest on her

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« Reply #592 on: June 23, 2010, 12:56:06 PM »
Yes. Marie Valerie became a housewife with concerns of her own, one must remember Sisi's closest ladies-in-waitings were all unmarried. That is why after Rudolf's death she drifts more and more away from her family (she never really was close to Erzi either...).

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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« Reply #593 on: June 23, 2010, 02:51:43 PM »
Well, the dead of the young Crown Prince made her to lost all interest in life. Not including Marie Valerie she didn't have a close relationship with any other member of her family, so after MV's wedding I think that she felt alone in Austria and she preffered to spend her time traveling with her ladies

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« Reply #594 on: June 23, 2010, 04:02:33 PM »
Yes. So I doubt that she closely followed the lives of MV & Gisela with much interest. Her letters to MV were full of self pity and lamentations.

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« Reply #595 on: June 24, 2010, 03:05:55 PM »
And less interest to Gisela, she only was more interested in Marie Valerie (till she left Sissi), about Rudolph I only think that she felt guilty of neglecting him (mainly at his childhood) after his sad death but I think no more.
I think that she was much closer to her sisters than to her daughters and son.
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« Reply #596 on: June 24, 2010, 04:14:03 PM »
I agree. She remained close to her friends too (Queen Elizabeth of Romania & Empress Friedrich of Germany) and her sister Mathilde & brother Karl Theodor. In some ways, Sisi's mental maturity was never fully developed and resembled those of a child.

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« Reply #597 on: June 25, 2010, 03:01:26 PM »
Would be logical to think that she was closer to her friends and siblings because they had a closer relationship with her, than her  with her children (who were like unknown for her) but it isn't a reason to explain that even she wasmore distant with Marie Valerie her last years, I must recognize that she was a bit strange

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« Reply #598 on: June 25, 2010, 04:52:26 PM »
She felt MV had changed after she became a mother and wife. She was Tatiana, Queen of the fairie land. It just did not fit into her illusions. 

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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« Reply #599 on: June 25, 2010, 05:56:56 PM »
Titania, not Tatiana