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Re: Claimants of Grand Duchess Tatiana Nicholaevna
« Reply #90 on: February 28, 2012, 03:46:57 PM »
You are welcome!

I've only seen that photo in that size, so maybe a full version? I do not know....hmmm?

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Re: Claimants of Grand Duchess Tatiana Nicholaevna
« Reply #91 on: March 08, 2012, 03:14:14 PM »


By the way, any information about the next three claimants, they're unknown to me:
1) Sinhtovna Romanova
2)Granny Elviryha
3) Tatiana Cirtlyis Romanova
I haven't seen nothing about them before and I've tried to search something for a few days  but nothing, nothing, nothing appears  :(

I expect to see one day a photo of Alexandra Michaelis, another "alleged Tatiana".

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Re: Claimants of Grand Duchess Tatiana Nicholaevna
« Reply #92 on: March 08, 2012, 03:42:54 PM »
I've tried searching those names too, but nothing has come up unfortunately. In that claimants photo you posted, it is creep how much Michelle looks like Tatiana in that photo. Very creepy.

As far as I know, there are no photos of Alexandra, I just tried doing a thorough search and nothing has come up sadly. :(

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« Reply #93 on: March 09, 2012, 12:11:42 PM »
I've tried searching those names too, but nothing has come up unfortunately. In that claimants photo you posted, it is creep how much Michelle looks like Tatiana in that photo. Very creepy.

As far as I know, there are no photos of Alexandra, I just tried doing a thorough search and nothing has come up sadly. :(

Thank you for your attempt! I think that there aren't much to say about those three women, in fact they were unknown to me. There were too much "dark" claimants that  vanished as fast as they appeared, there's just a little information about them farer than their claim (if there really is)  :(
I second this, at seeing all the faces of the "Tatianas", Anches is the one who resembles her more among all these women, creepy indeed!!. The photo of Tatia Romani is quite blurry (as the photos of several claimants) but anyways there's not much likeness, that's the same that I think about the photo of the well known Larissa Feodorovna Tudor.
I doubt that there are photos of Alexandra, she always "rejected to be recognized".
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Re: Claimants of Grand Duchess Tatiana Nicholaevna
« Reply #94 on: March 09, 2012, 04:13:52 PM »
As you said, they are the 'dark' claimants, definitely agree with that! Maybe one day information will come out about them, but who knows?

It is such a shame the Larissa 'photo' is blurry, and there are no more photos of her out there. From what I could see of the blurry photo, Larissa did have a sort of resemblance to Tatiana. When I first saw that well known photo of Michelle, I actually thought it was Tatiana until I read it was not!!

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« Reply #95 on: March 10, 2012, 01:25:06 AM »
All these "Tatianas"   :D

Of course, they were all phonies, but for a long time there was no real proof that the real Tatiana had been murdered.
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Re: Claimants of Grand Duchess Tatiana Nicholaevna
« Reply #96 on: March 14, 2012, 12:25:53 PM »
Another alleged "Tatiana" mentioned before in other thread but in a brief way, there her "story"

According to the Russian article of wikipedia:

Marguerite Lindsay: She appeared at London short before the Russian revolution. It was known that she was once belly dancer at Constantinople. She got married with a man named Lindsay. She never claimed that she was Tatiana but she had a large fortune that caused many rumours among the people. Marguerite herself has never confirmed or denied them.

This doesn't match, according to the les derniers romanovs site. It was said that the "theory" of this alleged "Grand Duchess" was the next:  she was rescued on airplane from Ekaterinburg to Vladivostok, there she was then boarded a ship in Japan into Canada, under the name of Margaret Lindsay, later to join England, where it reached August 8, 1918. About this of she being a belly dancer or being at Constantinople doesn't fit much with her alleged "escape"... or was this a fact of her real life (the real woman not pretending to be TN)?
After her arrival to London at 1918 there was not more trace of this woman until 1939 when she visited her "sisters", "Olga", the well known Magda Boodts, and "Maria", the also well known Ceclava Czapska. A bad point against her I must say! Funny that many imposters "recognized" themselves  ;)

There's something that I don't understand about this person, she is mentioned at the wikipedia biography of Larissa Feodorovna. I don't understand if Occheslaw is suggesting that Marguerite and Larissa are the same person -"Tatiana"- but just changing her "pseudonym"?? In any case is impossible considering that Larissa died at 1926, the other was still alive at late 1930's. Or is just my misunderstanding!   :-[
Sorry, sometimes I get confused with these strange stories!!
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Re: Claimants of Grand Duchess Tatiana Nicholaevna
« Reply #97 on: August 22, 2012, 05:00:25 PM »
P.T. Barnum said it best:  "There's a sucker born every minute." 

Some people will believe anything, no matter how nuts it seems.  If I announced that my cat, Tatiana, was the reincarnation of the Grand Duchess, there is a chance some would actually believe it
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Re: Claimants of Grand Duchess Tatiana Nicholaevna
« Reply #98 on: August 23, 2012, 03:27:27 PM »
What a mad story that sounds! I agree with Tim, people will believe anything.

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Re: Claimants of Grand Duchess Tatiana Nicholaevna
« Reply #99 on: March 11, 2013, 01:26:48 PM »
I would like to bring another claimant: Larissa Fedorovna.
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Larissa Feodorovna Tudor was the wife of Owen Frederick Morton Tudor, an officer of 3rd Battalion of The King's Own Hussars. Following her death, it was rumoured that she was in truth Grand Duchess Tatiana Nikolaevna of Russia, the second daughter of Nicholas II of Russia, and of Tsarina Alexandra.

Following World War I, she met and married her husband. Upon her death at roughly the age of 28 in Lydd, Kent, England, due to pulmonary tuberculosis and spinal caries, she bequeathed to him an unusually large inheritance equivalent to a local resident's yearly earnings. This fact, combined with irregularities in the available information about her, such as the different ages given on her marriage certificate, her tombstone, and her death certificate, the differences in the names given for her, the conflicting stories about her background, Tudor's inexplicable income and return to the 3rd Battalion of The King's Own Hussars and promotion in rank following Larissa's death, and certain physical details, led to speculation by author Michael Occleshaw that she was in reality the Grand Duchess and had escaped the assassination of the Romanovs after the Russian Revolution of 1917.

Larissa married Owen Frederick Morton Tudor, an officer of 3rd Battalion of The King's Own Hussars, in 1923 at the Register Office of St George's, Hanover Square, in London, England. Her marriage certificate listed her address as the York Hotel, Mayfair, and her father as Adolph Haouk. Her age in 1923 was given as 27 on her marriage certificate, though her death certificate in 1926 gave her age as 29 and her tombstone gave her age at death as 28
There is little available information about her nationality or early life. According to the wife of one of Tudor's brother officers, there were two accounts about Larissa's background. One was that she was the daughter of a pork butcher, whom Tudor met when he was posted at Constantinople in 1921. Larissa was said to be a belly-dancer at a night club in Constantinople. A second account of her early life was that she was a woman of good family from St. Petersburg. The colonel of Tudor's regiment reportedly sent brother officers either to teach him some Russian before his marriage or to try to persuade Tudor not to marry Larissa. Tudor, who was in love with Larissa, went ahead with the marriage and was forced to leave the regiment. One of Tudor's first cousins was told that Larissa had escaped from Russia and had been "earning her living the only way she could
Here is a picture from the Harrowgate Herald in 1918, showing a group of exiled Russian aristocrats. The face in the circle is unidentified, but the speculation is that this is Larissa/Tatiana

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Re: Claimants of Grand Duchess Tatiana Nicholaevna
« Reply #100 on: March 12, 2013, 06:32:55 PM »
Ah, Larissa. I always found her a little mysterious. That photo you posted, she certainly has a resemblence to Tatiana there , if it is indeed Larissa!

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Re: Claimants of Grand Duchess Tatiana Nicholaevna
« Reply #101 on: March 12, 2013, 06:47:58 PM »
It´s only a wild speculation from Michael Occleshaw that this photo is of Larissa Feodorovna. It can be just anybody!  There is no known photo of
Larissa. There certainly was some mystery about her whoever she was.

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Re: Claimants of Grand Duchess Tatiana Nicholaevna
« Reply #102 on: March 13, 2013, 10:04:49 AM »
It´s only a wild speculation from Michael Occleshaw that this photo is of Larissa Feodorovna. It can be just anybody!....

True stepan, and even more (considering that the photographed lady is indeed Larissa Feodorovna), the photo is really blurry and the face of the woman can't be seen clearly so I don't think that it is  enough to "prove" anything (claimants always have blurry photos of themselves as "proofs" of their claims). 
But indeed, I consider the identity of this woman an interesting mystery (of course, she's not Tatiana) and it increases at knowing that her husband never wanted to say anything about Larissa after her death.

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Re: Claimants of Grand Duchess Tatiana Nicholaevna
« Reply #103 on: March 17, 2013, 03:17:56 PM »
This lady was either a liar to an attention seeker.
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Re: Claimants of Grand Duchess Tatiana Nicholaevna
« Reply #104 on: March 17, 2013, 05:30:56 PM »
More likely an attention seeker in my opinion.