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Re: Claimants of Grand Duchess Tatiana Nicholaevna
« Reply #75 on: February 04, 2007, 11:04:01 AM »



A question then, which do you find more credible? Early English communication or the Yurovsky account. I always have it in my mind, that Yurovsky was also a braggart and was probably proud of his actions. So I figure there was a little embellishment. The interesting thing is, that should it be determined that the English account is more credible, it gives us a different perspective on the last few moments of the life of Nicholas. I have no idea which account is accurate and realize there is no way to know. However, it makes for interesting discussion.
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Re: Claimants of Grand Duchess Tatiana Nicholaevna
« Reply #76 on: April 19, 2009, 05:38:54 AM »
Does someone of you have a photo of Michelle Anches? I don't know a lot of respect to this claimant... Would you know how to furnish me a photo and her biography? Thanks...
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Re: Claimants of Grand Duchess Tatiana Nicholaevna
« Reply #77 on: April 20, 2009, 01:29:40 AM »
Does someone of you have a photo of Michelle Anches? I don't know a lot of respect to this claimant... Would you know how to furnish me a photo and her biography? Thanks...

http://romanov.wifeo.com/autres-usurpations.php

You might try google - I got the above link in a couple of seconds. It has a photo of her.

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Re: Claimants of Grand Duchess Tatiana Nicholaevna
« Reply #78 on: May 08, 2009, 07:37:03 AM »
   Michelle Anches... :)
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Re: Claimants of Grand Duchess Tatiana Nicholaevna
« Reply #79 on: May 13, 2009, 08:02:11 PM »
she looks like Tatiana in that photo but still she's not her. (",)
thanks for the photo .
That maybe taken on 1920's, isn't it?
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Re: Claimants of Grand Duchess Tatiana Nicholaevna
« Reply #80 on: May 19, 2009, 04:04:52 AM »
   Michelle Anches :)
This is another photo of Michelle Anches... I am convinced more and more that it resembles indeed very to the granduchess Tatiana Romanova. I know well that is NOT her! But must admit that the similarity is perfect! And then, poor girl, has been killed by someone because they believed that was the true granduchess! by Tatiana Romanov
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« Reply #81 on: June 29, 2009, 05:00:06 AM »
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Re: Claimants of Grand Duchess Tatiana Nicholaevna
« Reply #82 on: September 07, 2009, 10:23:44 AM »
I'm reporting simply what I read on a book:
In 1948 a baron named Werner von Biel told the reporter George Herald that Tatiana was alive, under the false name of Katharina Lumpesaite and worked as a nurse in a refugee camp in the area of Germany still occupied by the English. In fact, when Herald saw the woman, she was quite similar to the Grand Duchess, but she firmly refused his interwiew saying that her father was a simple peasant from Lituania.
Until here nothing strange, it was not the first time, but then something very curious happened. He showed her a series of documents which should testify of Tatiana's escape, and suddenly the nurse got pale, unable to say one word then shouted more or less: "Leave me in peace! I'm fully satisfied with my job, I have learnt to earn my living. I'm glad now, and I don't want to suffer any longer!"
Then she kept doing her job ignoring all the insinuations about her, which in fact ceased after a while as it was not easy to make a scoop with such a reaction...
Was it true? God only knows. But surely if someone came to me and told me I'm a survivor of an imperial family, I would laugh or think he's bad: this frightened reaction is very strange for one who is totally extraneous to the facts, don't you think?
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Re: Claimants of Grand Duchess Tatiana Nicholaevna
« Reply #83 on: September 07, 2009, 01:40:21 PM »
I'm reporting simply what I read on a book:
In 1948 a baron named Werner von Biel told the reporter George Herald that Tatiana was alive, under the false name of Katharina Lumpesaite and worked as a nurse in a refugee camp in the area of Germany still occupied by the English. In fact, when Herald saw the woman, she was quite similar to the Grand Duchess, but she firmly refused his interwiew saying that her father was a simple peasant from Lituania.
Until here nothing strange, it was not the first time, but then something very curious happened. He showed her a series of documents which should testify of Tatiana's escape, and suddenly the nurse got pale, unable to say one word then shouted more or less: "Leave me in peace! I'm fully satisfied with my job, I have learnt to earn my living. I'm glad now, and I don't want to suffer any longer!"
Then she kept doing her job ignoring all the insinuations about her, which in fact ceased after a while as it was not easy to make a scoop with such a reaction...
Was it true? God only knows. But surely if someone came to me and told me I'm a survivor of an imperial family, I would laugh or think he's bad: this frightened reaction is very strange for one who is totally extraneous to the facts, don't you think?

Not really. Your reaction would come when you were likely in a secure place with no worries about your safety. The woman was in a refugee camp and was trying to keep her job and not arouse attention about her. Based upon what she first said she was clear - she was a refugee who had learned how to work and wanted to be left in peace. This makes perfect sense to me that persistent attention frightened her and she wanted to be left alone. No big mystery here.

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Re: Claimants of Grand Duchess Tatiana Nicholaevna
« Reply #84 on: May 18, 2010, 04:15:14 PM »
I find these threads interesting to read, especially now that DNA testing has totally debunked all the claimants. 

In my opinion, I think one reasons these claimants were so easily accepted is because, for the most part, people like a happy ending (if seeing your whole family slaughtered while you alone survived could be considered happy, that is).  The thought that one of the GD's, or Alexei, had somehow beat the odds and made it was a nice, wishful thought.  When I was a kid, I loved DC Comics, I always knew that no matter how much trouble Lois Lane was in, Superman would always show up at the last minute and save the day.  A happy ending.

Sadly, it didn't happen like that with the Romanov's.  Science has proven that there was no happy ending for any of them.  Tragic, but true.
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Re: Claimants of Grand Duchess Tatiana Nicholaevna
« Reply #85 on: July 22, 2010, 08:37:50 PM »
Michelle Anches is the only claimant I know that really looks like one of the Romanov children.

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Re: Claimants of Grand Duchess Tatiana Nicholaevna
« Reply #86 on: September 18, 2010, 11:09:43 AM »
Does anyone know who has killed Michelle Anches? Or was that case never solved? I ve heard she was on the way to Denmark to meet the Dowager Empress.

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Re: Claimants of Grand Duchess Tatiana Nicholaevna
« Reply #87 on: February 16, 2012, 03:24:07 PM »
Amazing topic and while useful at being read with the thread of claimants too!! Many stories were unknown to me and thank you for the photographs!!
I was recently reading an odd -for not saying non sense- article on a Spanish newspaper online that said that the four Grand Duchesses and the Tsarina escaped, they identified Tatiana as a nun, here a translation of the fragment that says this:

 "...Tatiana, the second daughter of the Tsar, died during the first months of World War II (1939 or 1940), in a nunnery Ukrainian Catholic Basilian order in Poland, under the protection of Metropolitan of Lviv, Archbishop Andrei Szeptycki (predecessor of today Josyf Slipyj Cardinal, who said several family members have been aware of the issue)".

They identified also the other Grand Duchesses as well known impostors as AA, C. Czapska and Magda Boots... my question is if anyone know more about this "alleged Tatiana"?
The story of Michelle Anches is a mysterious one, I wonder who was really her and who killed her :-?

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Re: Claimants of Grand Duchess Tatiana Nicholaevna
« Reply #88 on: February 28, 2012, 11:25:29 AM »
The only thing I have found regarding Michelle Anches was that researchers believed she was killed by Bolsheviks, because they believed she was Tatiana, but I have found nothing more. Her story is really very mysterious, I do agree. There is little information on her.

As for the Nun story, I tried to find information on that and found nothing, maybe someone else knows something?

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Re: Claimants of Grand Duchess Tatiana Nicholaevna
« Reply #89 on: February 28, 2012, 12:54:16 PM »
Thank you Jen!!  :D
I found the next photo of Michelle Anches that isn't on this thread, seems that the photo was raken at the same time of the first one, only that here we see her face in other position, I wonder if it's the full verssion or only a close up. Sorry for the bad quality