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Is this quotation true?
« on: August 29, 2010, 10:58:15 AM »
In the book, "Curse of the Romanovs" by Staton Rabin, there's a quotation that I think might be from "Thirteen years at the Russian Court" by Pierre Gilliard. I know that this book lacks correct Historical preferences, but the Author said that all the real quotes were in Italic. Here's the quote/conversation between Alexei and Gilliard:

           "Gilliard, is my family cursed?"
           "What nonsense! Where do you get such silly ideas?"
           "Gleb told me. He said Mama came to Russia walking behind Grandpa Sasha's coffin, and brings us bad luck.
            And on the day Mama and Papa were crowned, everyone rushed in for free souvenir mugs. A thousand
            peasants got crushed to death. Like ants!"
            "And what did you say when Gleb told you this?"
            "Nothing. I punched him."
            "Alexei! You are older than Gleb, bigger than he is. What would your Mother say?"
            "I know what Papa would say. He would say 'Good for you!'"

Also did Alexei call Gilliard, "Zhillie?"

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Re: Is this quotation true?
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2010, 11:17:25 AM »
 I would not pay any attention to this quote.  IMO, it sounds like utter nonsense, and I would wish to see the original documentation of that so-called "quote."  Just one example of the potential "howlers" here:  "Alexei! You are older than Gleb, ......" Assuredly M. Pierre Gilliard (if indeed it WERE he) would be familiar with the ages of the subjects in question. PRESUMING that the  "Gleb" mentioned was Gleb Botkin, it is to be noted that Botkin was born in the year 1900 and the Heir in 1904. You are wise to question it.  Just because it appeared/appears in a published work, many people would totally accept it, and repeat it, and repeat it, and..............    AP.
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Re: Is this quotation true?
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2010, 03:49:15 PM »
Also did Alexei call Gilliard, "Zhillie?"

Zhilik, according to Russian sources. :-D

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Re: Is this quotation true?
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2010, 12:11:59 AM »
Totally fake. Alexis Nikolaievich was younger than Gleb and Gilliard wouldn't speak in such a way to his pupil. Don't forget Alexei was the heir of Russian throne. And of curse, Gleb wouldn't tell such a thing to the son of his Tsar.

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Re: Is this quotation true?
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2010, 07:13:07 AM »
Definitely a fictional conversation. There's nothing to match this in Gilliard's memoirs.

And nena is correct -- Gilliard was called Zhilik by the imperial family.
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Re: Is this quotation true?
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2010, 09:06:03 AM »
Ok thanks. I was rereading this book over and over again and pondering this. Please don't think me impudent, I haven't read Gilliard's book and it the author didn't help either. I hope you'll be happy to know that I just got the book, "Nicholas and Alexandra" so I should be on the right track. Although I don't believe the gold chain story included....

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Re: Is this quotation true?
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2010, 11:37:20 AM »
You can read Gilliard's memoirs free online here.
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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2010, 05:24:25 PM »
You can read Gilliard's memoirs free online here.
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Re: Is this quotation true?
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2010, 06:09:08 PM »
What does Zhilik mean?

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« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2010, 07:38:02 PM »
It's just a nickname -- probably a Russification of his last name.
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« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2010, 08:11:04 AM »
Indeed -- I'd say it's one of Russian diminutives of the original names, de facto, Russification. For example, Sarah = Sarushka.
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