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Re: Prince Ludwig & Margaret Geddes
« Reply #120 on: January 16, 2010, 11:33:09 AM »
Thanks Allan,

The Nazi subject is still touchy today among the royal houses in Germany.

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Re: Prince Ludwig & Margaret Geddes
« Reply #121 on: January 18, 2010, 11:28:51 AM »
Indeed. We have to beware of hindsight. One would expect Prince Ludwig to invite his boss, and for Ribbentrop, who was a great social climber, to go (he got the 'von' by persuading an aunt to adopt him after he was well into adulthood).

I am reminded of the furore in the tabloid press in Britain a few years ago when it emerged that Princess Michael of Kent's father had been in the Waffen SS. Reprehensible though this might have been, it was rather unfair to blame Princess Michael, who had yet to be born at the time and never even met her father until she was a teenager (her parents separated before her birth).

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Re: Prince Ludwig & Margaret Geddes
« Reply #122 on: January 18, 2010, 03:11:02 PM »
Well...In the event of war people began to be phobic of anything that have mud stick to it. It happen with any Nazism connection after WW II, The witch-hunts of Communism during the McCarthy era, Japanese interment camps in the US...

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Re: Prince Ludwig & Margaret Geddes
« Reply #123 on: February 16, 2010, 06:29:14 PM »
Margaret Geddes's father, Sir Auckland Geddes

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Re: Prince Ludwig & Margaret Geddes
« Reply #124 on: February 16, 2010, 06:48:00 PM »
That is quite a surprise. Thanks. Don't know too much about her family I must admit.

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Re: Prince Ludwig & Margaret Geddes
« Reply #125 on: February 16, 2010, 08:14:34 PM »
Auckland Geddes was a member of David Lloyd George's coalition government (he served in various positions) during the latter part of the First World War (his brother Eric was First Lord of the Admiralty) in the Coalition Govt--Geddes was a member of the Conservative party. Auckland Geddes served in the Second Boer War as a Lieutenant (3rd class) in the Highland Light Infantry between 1901 and 1902. During the First World War he served as a Major and was on the staff of the General Headquarters in France as a Brevet Lieutenant-Colonel and Honorary Brigadier General. On and off from 1906 until WW1 he served as either an Assistant Professor or Professor Anatomy at various universities. Post-war, he was named Ambassador to the US from 1920-24. He went into private life until WW2 when he returned to public service and was made a Baron in 1943. Margaret was the only daughter.

His brother Eric was known for the quote "We shall squeeze the German lemon until the pips squeak!" which was uttered during a rally before the Versailles Peace Conference in order to stir up support for harsh restitutions and the heavy post-WW1 cuts in public expenditures was known as the Geddes Axe.

Margaret's nephew Euan (born just 2 months before the Ostend tragedy) is the current 3rd Baron Geddes. She had quite a few nieces and nephews--9 just by her brother Alexander (7 by his 1st marriage), who are all still living. It seems long-lived genes run in the family.

Margaret's brother Alexander also married a German (as his 2nd wife) in 1964-- Marie-Anne Altgräfin zu Salm-Reifferscheidt-Krautheim und Dyck, daughter of Franz Josef Fürst zu Salm-Reifferscheidt-Krautheim und Dyck and Cäcilie Prinzessin zu Salm-Salm. Cecile was the granddaughter of Archduke Friedrich and Archduchess Isabella of Austria through their daughter Maria Christina who married Emmanuel of Salm-Salm.

In one of the old Illustrated London News I bought, there was a photo of Auckland Geddes, with his wife and children, including Margaret, preparing to depart for his Ambassadorship. Margaret, then a young teen, resembled her father at that stage, glasses as all!



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Re: Prince Ludwig & Margaret Geddes
« Reply #126 on: February 16, 2010, 08:54:54 PM »
It is interesting to note the marriage of Hon.Alexander Campbell-Geddes and Marie-Anne,Altgräfin zu Salm-Reifferscheidt-Krautheim und Dyck...I wonder does this kind of "German" marriage has anything to do with his sister Princess Margaret von Hesse und Rhine who lived in Germany or they met separately on their own?

It is also interesting that their son Stephen George Geddes also married a German Countess Clarissa von Hagen zu Plettenberg...again,does this marriage have anything to do with his mother being also a German?

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« Reply #127 on: February 17, 2010, 12:31:32 PM »
Thanks for all this information. Not a lot of books on Hesse (particular in English) included this.

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Re: Prince Ludwig & Margaret Geddes
« Reply #128 on: November 11, 2010, 07:17:39 AM »
I FOUND THIS OBITUARY IN THE INDEPENDENT



Obituary: Princess Margaret of Hesse and the Rhine

Philip Mansel


Thursday, 30 January 1997
Few Englishwomen have adapted so well to German life or played such a prominent part in it as Princess Margaret of Hesse and the Rhine.

She was born in 1913, the daughter of Sir Auckland Geddes (later first Baron Geddes - author of the post-First World War financial cuts known as "the Geddes axe"). Like many of the British between the wars, she went on holiday to Bavaria and fell in love. Her fiance was Prince Ludwig of Hesse- Darmstadt, a son of the last reigning Grand Duke of Hesse-Darmstadt, a middle-ranking state of the former German Empire. She had planned to marry, in 1937, in Bavarian peasant dress. Instead she wore black: five members of her fiance's family had died when the aeroplane taking them to London for the wedding crashed.

"Peg" Hesse was a success in the difficult role of a non- royal foreign bride in an ancient German dynasty, despite her lack of children and the outbreak of the Second World War. Her cheerfulness, efficiency and sense of fun helped. Her house at Wolfsgarten, a Hesse "hunting lodge" the size of a small Oxford college, became an oasis of calm in the turmoil of the war and the Allied occupation.

After the war Wolfsgarten was a centre of culture and entertainment as well. The Princess helped to organise exhibitions and museums in the former Hesse capital of Darmstadt, and the magnificent private collections of the Hesse- Darmstadts were concentrated in Wolfsgarten. They created an unforgettable atmosphere of living history. On one wall was a portrait presented to a Landgrafin of Hesse by her friend Marie Antoinette; in a cellar were photographs of the Hesses' family holidays with Nicholas II of Russia (whose wife was a Hesse) in the Crimea. In the main salon was a suite of furniture left behind by Napoleon. Most of the crowned heads and many writers and politicians of Europe scratched their names on the window-panes of Wolfsgarten, from Golo Mann and Edward Heath to "Elizabeth" and "Philip": Peg Hesse was one of the people through whom the British royal family re-established contact with its German relations after the Second World War.

She continued to preside over her household after the death of her husband "Lu" Hesse, a talented composer, in 1968. Both were intimate friends of Benjamin Britten and Peter Pears, with whom they frequently went on long holidays. Britten often worked at Wolfsgarten, although he found the German Christmas "very holy and serious but inclined to be a bit sloppy and `heilig Nacht' ". The Princess became President of the Aldeburgh Foundation and in 1959 set up the "Hesse Students" scheme to enable young people to attend the Aldeburgh Festival in return for practical help.

Friends from all over the world, and the city of Darmstadt, where she was very popular, contributed to her unique collection of representations of pugs, in porcelain, drawings and paintings.

The Hesse House Foundation, run by Prince Moritz of the Hesse-Kassel branch, now inherits the palaces and works of art of the Hesse-Darmstadts, making it the possessor of one of the finest collections in Europe.

Margaret Campbell Geddes, arts patron: born 1913; married 1937 Prince Ludwig of Hesse and the Rhine (died 1968); died Wolfsgarten, Germany 26 January 1997.


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Re: Prince Ludwig & Margaret Geddes
« Reply #129 on: November 11, 2010, 09:53:17 AM »
Nice...an admirable woman!
So long and thanks for all the fish

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Re: Prince Ludwig & Margaret Geddes
« Reply #130 on: November 11, 2010, 09:59:03 AM »
I think the author of this obituary managed to sum up both her personality and schievements. Bright life! Filled with a lot of activities! She definitely had definite aims in her life.

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Re: Prince Ludwig & Margaret Geddes
« Reply #131 on: June 10, 2011, 01:53:39 PM »
For the first time I heard Prinz Ludwig's voice..... inauguration of the Schlossmuseum in 1965. I wonder whether Ernst Ludwig's voice was alike...

watch: 3.25

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcgioixPp4s

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Re: Prince Ludwig & Margaret Geddes
« Reply #132 on: July 25, 2011, 01:29:13 PM »
Princess Margaret of Hesse and the Rhine - shortly before she passed away


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Re: Prince Ludwig & Margaret Geddes
« Reply #133 on: July 25, 2011, 01:34:59 PM »
One of numerous Royal visits to Wolfsgarten: Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Philip taking the doggies for a walk (on the very staircase the famous group of the Imperial Russian visit was taken in 1910)

With them are Prince Ludwig and Princess Margaret, Princesses Titu Hohenlohe and Thea Windisch Graetz

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Re: Prince Ludwig & Margaret Geddes
« Reply #134 on: July 25, 2011, 05:54:52 PM »
I think one of them was the daughter of Margarita of Hohenlohe-Langenburg.