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Re: Daughters of Frederick VIII & Queen Louise
« Reply #60 on: May 13, 2005, 11:41:32 AM »
Yes, it would be great!
About her alleged suicide. I have read that she was depressive and melancolic, and missed Denmark as you already said. She drown herself at a lake,after a prior attempt where the palace gartner saved her. But it could just be rumors...

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Re: Daughters of Frederick VIII & Queen Louise
« Reply #61 on: May 13, 2005, 12:13:43 PM »
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This Princess has fascinated me to of late - I was recently in Copenhagen where I copied a lot of newspaper items on Princess Louise's death.  She definately did not commit suicide, but she was unhappy in her marriage more because she missed Denmark. She had been ill since January, before her grandfather's (Christian IX) death.  
Iintend on writing something on her once I translate all the info I have.


That would be great! I was wondering, since there isn't much on her and I've heard the suicide rumors as well, what you base your certainty that she didn't on?
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Re: Daughters of Frederick VIII & Queen Louise
« Reply #62 on: May 13, 2005, 06:27:07 PM »
Well I can't say definitely that she did not commit suicide but she was ill from late December early January, described as bedridden, and then she died on April 4th, a couple hours after her father-in-law.  I think she just died from exhaustion & the illness, she just gave up living, in itself that could be termed suicicde, but I don't believe she physically took her own life.  
Of course I can only go on what has been published, newspapers, books etc, but no family letters have been published so until they are (if ever) we will never know.
I must be honest it is the fact that she had such a short live that fascinates me, the marrying off to a Prince who lived miles from where she had grown up, her husband has said that she did not want to be buried, so the funeral was going to be put off until a Mausoleum was built.
It's obviously she had a very unhappy married life, she returned to Denmark every year around July/August and stayed for 2 to 3 months.  

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Re: Daughters of Frederick VIII & Queen Louise
« Reply #63 on: May 13, 2005, 07:04:32 PM »
Can't recollect my source but the official cause of death of Princess Louise was "cerebral inflammation".

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Well I can't say definitely that she did not commit suicide but she was ill from late December early January, described as bedridden, and then she died on April 4th, a couple hours after her father-in-law.  I think she just died from exhaustion & the illness, she just gave up living, in itself that could be termed suicicde, but I don't believe she physically took her own life.  
Of course I can only go on what has been published, newspapers, books etc, but no family letters have been published so until they are (if ever) we will never know.
I must be honest it is the fact that she had such a short live that fascinates me, the marrying off to a Prince who lived miles from where she had grown up, her husband has said that she did not want to be buried, so the funeral was going to be put off until a Mausoleum was built.
It's obviously she had a very unhappy married life, she returned to Denmark every year around July/August and stayed for 2 to 3 months.  
 


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Re: Daughters of Frederick VIII & Queen Louise
« Reply #64 on: May 13, 2005, 07:08:57 PM »
Dagmar marrid Jurgen Castenskiold (1893-1978) .

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She was apparently very unhappy in her marriage and reportedly committed suicide by drowning herself in a lake. The marriage had been arranged by her mother.

Thyra was another Toria who didn't escape the SmotherMother. VERY stifling life.

Dagmar was finally able to marry a commoner after her mother's death. I forget the name as it's a long Swedish one. I think he was an Army officer. She was known as Mrs. ?? after that.


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Re: Daughters of Frederick VIII & Queen Louise
« Reply #65 on: May 13, 2005, 07:22:22 PM »
This family appears to be extremely unlucky.

Friedrich Sigismund of Prussia died in a riding accident (fell off his horse) in Lucerne.

Stephanie died giving birth to twin sons (born and died 2 May 1925).

Friedrich of Schaumburg-Lippe's brother Albrecht of Schaumburg-Lippe (1869-1942) together with his second wife Maria Herget died of coal gas poisoning Christmas Eve at Linz" - according to the NYTimes 30 December 1942. (Thanks to Marlene Eilers who posted this information on The German-Austrian Royals Message Board on 2/11/2004 ).

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Princess Louise of Denmark (1875-1906) married Prince Friedrich of Schaumburg-Lippe (1868-1945) and had three children by him:

1) Marie Louise (1897-1938 ) who married Prince Friedrich Sigismund of Prussia (1891-1927) and had two children by him, a son and a daughter. The son, Prince Friedrich Karl of Prussia (b. 1919) married twice but fathered no children.  The daughter, Princess Louise of Prussia, married morganatically, had one son who lives in New York, but he did not have any children from his marriage either.

2) Christian (1898-1974) who married his first cousin Princess Feodora of Denmark (1910-1975) and had 3 sons and 1 daughter.  In fact his son Prince Wilhelm (b. 1939) is a regular at the Danish court where he maintains very good relations with his cousins Margrethe and Elisabeth.

3) Stephanie (1899-1925) who married Fürst Viktor Adolf of Bentheim und Steinfurt (1883-1961) and had 2 sons by him, one died during the Second World War, the other married but had no children.

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As for Ingeborg, Trond Norén Isaksen, a well-respected Norwegian biographer, has covered her and her children in various, marvelous by the way, biograhical articles in past issues of the EUROPEAN ROYAL HISTORY JOURNAL, which were thoroughly researched and handsomely illustrated!

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Re: Daughters of Frederick VIII & Queen Louise
« Reply #66 on: May 13, 2005, 08:31:00 PM »
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This family appears to be extremely unlucky.


They were indeed! Somewhere on this huge forum I posted that information--it was somewhat OT which is why I can't place which thread it's on now :( There were unhappy marriages and odd deaths all over the place it seems.    :-/

About Friedrich Sigismund and Louise that's a shame about their descendants. William Lead Malor in his book Royalty Before the War notes that she was the 6th Louise in direct descent (starting with the famous Queen Louise of Prussia) and obviously her daughter shared the name as well. Now it seems that has ended. Sad.
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Re: Daughters of Frederick VIII & Queen Louise
« Reply #67 on: May 13, 2005, 09:10:12 PM »
Here's one of those tragedies:

Adolf II (the last ruler; abdicated on 1918) died at age 53 in a plane crash (along with his wife) in Mexico.  

Marriages:
Friedrich Christian married 3 times:
(1) 1927-1961 (widowed) Alexandra Castell-Rüdenhausen
(2) 1962-1969 (widowed)  Marie Luise of Schleswig-Holstein (she was 54 when they married; he was 56)
(3) 1971 Hélène Mayr (she was age 59; he was 63). She actually outlived him  

Adelheid m.1841 (div 1848) Duke Friedrich of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg . She remarried her first husband in 1854.

Of course poor Moretta's marriage to Adolf which was content but he wasn't her first choice and she was denied the blessings of motherhood she wanted so badly.

On a side note, Louise's husband Friedrich's family had quite the colorful marital career. Of Friedrich's siblings (Louise's siblings-in-law):
1) brother Christian married Duchess Elsa of Wurttemberg and his brother Max married Elsa's twin Olga (daughters of Vera Constantinova). Max died after 6 yrs of marriage leaving a widow and 2 children (one child having died in infancy). Their eldest son died in a plane crash in 1929 (age 30) while their 2nd son married but his only child was an illegitimate one fathered (during his marriage) when he was 60.
2) sister Bathildis married Helen of Albany and Queen Emma of the Netherlands' brother Friedrich. I think he or his son was a BIG Nazi suppporter.
3) Adelheid married Duke Ernst II of Saxe-Altenburg in 1898 and divorced in 1920.
4) Alexandra died age 70 unmarried; Franz Joseph died age 16
5) eldest sister Charlotte married Wilhelm II of Wurttemberg in 1886. He was the widower of Bathildis's husband's sister Pauline of Waldeck-Pyrmont.

found this on the German-Austrian message board:
Another leading supporter of the Nazis who disgraced himself and his family, was Prince Josias of Waldeck une Pyrmont, an SS Obergruppenfuhrere, who was jailed for his crimes after the war. The Hereditary Grand Duke of Oldenburg (brother-in-law of Prince Josias) was another German royal involved closely with the Nazis, and held the rank of SA Standartenfuhrer and commander of the SA - Reiterstandarte 14, while his eldest son, Duke Anton Gunther, was an SS officer. The hereditary Grand Duke's other brother-in-law, Prince Stephan of Schaumburg-Lippe was an SS-Obersturmfuhrer. Prince Stephan's brother, Friedrich Christian, was an SA Standartenfuhrer, orator of the Reich NSDAP, and 1st chief of Section of the Chief of Staff of the Gauleiter of the foreign (i.e. non-German NSDAP (i.e. a true Nazi ideologue). A cousin, Prince Wilhelm of Schaumburg-Lippe, was NSKK Staffelfuhrer (his sister was married to Prince Wolrad, head of the House, who was not directly involved but a strong sympathiser).



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Re: Daughters of Frederick VIII & Queen Louise
« Reply #68 on: May 15, 2005, 07:23:52 AM »
Here are details of Louise's christening.

She was baptised in the Crown Prince's Palace (Amalienborg) in Copenhagen on March 29, 1875.  Her godparents were:-

King Christiab IX of Denmark (paternal grandfather)
Queen Louise of Denmark (paternal grandmother)
Queen Olga of the Hellenes (aunt)
Queen Sophie of Sweden & Norway (aunt)
Queen Josephine, Dowager Queen of Sweden (great grandmother)
Queen Caroline Amalie, Dowager Queen of Denmark (great great aunt)
Hereditary Princess Caroline of Denmark (great great aunt)
Prince Frederick of The Netherlands (great grandfather)
Princess Marie of Neu Weid (great aunt)
Princess Louise of Hesse-Cassel (great great aunt)
Princess Augusta of Hesse, Baroness Blixen (great aunt)

Hope you find this of interest.  I got the information from the Public Records Office in Kew, England and from Danish newspapers.


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Re: Daughters of Frederick VIII & Queen Louise
« Reply #69 on: June 13, 2005, 08:11:47 PM »
I have never been able to find much information about Princess Dagmar of Denmark (1890-1961), youngest child of King Frederick VIII of Denmark.  She would have been a niece of Alexandra-Marie/Dagmar-Thyra.

She married a commoner, Jurgen Castenkiold, in 1922.  Did she have children and why did she marry a commoner? Who was this commoner she married?

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Re: Daughters of Frederick VIII & Queen Louise
« Reply #70 on: June 16, 2005, 12:22:01 AM »
Dagmar married Jorgen Castenskiold on 23 November 1922 at the Chapel, Fredensborg Palace, Fredensborg. I believe he was a Danish Army officer. She was 32 when they married.  They had  4 children:  Carl, Christian, Jorgen and Dagmar. She has quite a few descendants most of whom live in Denmark but I think a couple live in the US.
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Re: Daughters of Frederick VIII & Queen Louise
« Reply #71 on: June 16, 2005, 12:24:09 AM »

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Re: Daughters of Frederick VIII & Queen Louise
« Reply #72 on: June 18, 2005, 03:14:38 PM »
Thank you, Grandduchessella, you always seem to be able to fill in the gaps!

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Re: Daughters of Frederick VIII & Queen Louise
« Reply #73 on: June 18, 2005, 08:51:43 PM »
Princess Dagmar visited Russia (St. Petersburg) in 1909.  Her father and mother, then King and Queen, paid a state visit from the 11th of July to the 23rd.  Dagmar along with her sister Thyra also went along - I have always wondered whether they were taken with the view of finding possible husbands???  

Another Russian connection for Dagmar is that (obviously) she had her aunt Dagmar as her godmother, the Dowager Empress Marie Feodorevna.

Dagmar was baptised at her parent's Palace of Charlottnlund on the 9th July, 1890 with the names Dagmar Louise Elisabeth.  The godparents were:-
King Christian IX &  Queen Louise of Denmark
Empress Marie Feodorevna of Russia
Prince Waldemar of Denmark
Princess Marie of Denmark
Prince Carl of Sweden & Norway (later to be her brother-in-law)
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Princess Elisabeth, the Dowager Hereditary Princess of Anhalt (a first cousin of Dagmar's father, she was born a Princess of Hesse-Cassel).

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Re: Daughters of Frederick VIII & Queen Louise
« Reply #74 on: June 18, 2005, 09:12:21 PM »
Some more info on "lille Louise"

Guests at her wedding on May 5, 1896

King Christian IX & Queen Louise of Denmark (her paternal grand parents)
Crown Prince Frederik & Crown Princess Louise of Denmark (her parents)
Prince Christian, Prince Carl & Prince Harald of Denmark (brothers)
The Furst Georg and PrincFurstin Maria Anna of Schaumburg-Lippe
Prince Wilhelm and Princess Bathildis of Schaumburg-Lippe (bridgroom's parents)
Prince Albrecht and Prince Maximilian of Schaumburg-Lippe (bridgroom's brothers)
Duke and Duchess of York (later King George V & Queen Mary of Great Britian - he was a 1st cousin of the bride)
Grand Duke and Grand Duchess of Luxembourg (she was an aunt of the bridgeroom)
Prince Waldemar and Princess Marie of Denmark
Princess Hilda of Anhalt (aunt of the bridegroom)
Prince Carl of Sweden and Norway
Prince Hans and Julius of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksborg (brothers of King Christian IX)
Prince Jean of Orleans
Prince Chira of Siam

Princess Bathildis of Schaumburg-Lippe, the Grand Duchess of Luxembourg & Princess Hilda of Anhalt were all neices of Queen Louise of Denmark.

And for those into jewellery, Louise received the following:-

From the King & Queen of Denmark  - a splendid Diadem of Brilliant
From the Crown Prince and Crown Princess - a Diadem, Bracelet, Broche, Earrings and Collar
From the Prince & Princess of Schaumburg-Lippe – a fan with brilliants
From the Empress Alexander – a Broche
From the Prince and Princess of Wales – a Broche
From Prince and Princess Wilhelm of Schaumburg-Lippe  - a Diamond Broche & Bracelet
From Prince Waldemar & Princess Marie - a Silver Lamp
From the Grand Duchess Xenia - a Gold Bracelet with diamonds and sapphires
From the Duke and Duchess of Cumberland  - a Coffee service
From the King of Sweden - a Silver service
From the Crown Prince of Sweden - a Steel(silver?) fan (not sure what is meant by this as my danish is terrible "Staalvifte"
From the bridegroom – a Gold Bracelet with a heart of diamonds with his portrait inside