The Vladimirovitchi - discussion and pictures, Part 2

[Maria Sisi]

Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna and her grandchildren

with Maria and Kira of Russia



with Olga and Elizabeth of Greece

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with Marina of Greece

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Anybody know what type of grandmother Maria Pavlovna was?

[Maria Sisi]

Grand Duke Vladimir 1860


Grand Duke Boris Vladimirovich, colonel in the Imperial Russian Army, Dragoons Regiment

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Grand Dukes Krill, Boris and Andre with their uncle Frederick, Grand Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin and unknown

[Carolath Habsburg]

The first image doesnt look like Vladimir, but Alexis, his brother

The unknown gent, the one sitting and bald seems to be duke Johann Albretch of Mecklenburg Schwerin, another of their uncles. And the other one doesnt look like Friedrich but Paul Friedrich

[Marc]

Anybody know what type of grandmother Maria Pavlovna was?

She loved her grandchildren,but she was very strict.Princess Olga of Greece wrote in diary that when they visited her grandmother every ceremonial should be respected,even eating everything from the plate offered for the children...

[Maria Sisi]

She loved her grandchildren, but she was very strict.Princess Olga of Greece wrote in diary that when they visited her grandmother every ceremonial should be respected, even eating everything from the plate offered for the children...

Not surprised how strict she was, she was every bit imperious even in photographs.

Looking at her figure I think we can safely say Maria Pavlovna certainly ate everything placed on her plate and was no hypocrite in that department. I recall seeing a photograph of her at a dinner fundraiser for one of her regiments and even with a belt they couldn't hide just how big she was from all that eating.

[Eric_Lowe]

Indeed. The other grandmother, Queen Olga of Greece was more indulging.

[Ally Kumari]

Grand Duchess Elena and Empress Alexandra, Oreanda 1902



Source: http://sr-hamlet.livejournal.com/89234.html

[Eric_Lowe]

Yes. The two women were far from close.

[Maria_Pavlovna]

Actually eric, they got along very well and were friends before GD Elena's wedding and afterwards. The Empress never held a grudge against GD Elena because of her mother the grand duchess Vladimir.

[Maria Sisi]

"Camera and the Tsars" has two quotes about Elena from MF:

She was a pretty girl, raised by an ambitious mother to be aware at all times of who and what she was. 'Poor little thing, I feel sorry for her,' wrote Dowager Tsaritsa Maria Feodorovna, her mother's old rival, 'for she is really quite sweet, but vain and pretty grandiose.' P. 90

In June 1902 Maria Pavlovna accepted defeat and allowed her daughter to accept Prince Nicholas of Greece. His aunt, Maria Feodorovna, had misgivings: 'Their upbringing and their ways of looking at things are so different and divergent. A great deal of patience will be demanded on bother sides....it is true that she has a very brusque and arrogant tone that can shock people.' P. 99

The criticism MF gives of Elena here is pretty much the same criticism people give to the whole Vladimirovichi family. I don't think MF personally disliked Elena otherwise she never would have called her, 'quite sweet.' It sounds more like a criticism of how she was raised by her mother, who as Charlotte Z. says, was her old rival. I'm sure when away from her mother Elena was quite different in many ways, more easy to get along with and I'm sure MF knew/experienced that too.

You can definitely see the 'grandiose' in that photo!

[Kalafrana]

I don't know much about Elena, but what Maria Sisi says here makes sense.

As to 'grandiose', I could just see Elena strutting across a parade ground, on the basis of that photograph!

Ann

[Maria Sisi]

I have never seen this one before. It's listed as Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna, the Elder


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[Maria Sisi]

[Marie Valerie]

Miechen out hunting

[Eric_Lowe]

She is good shot ? Never heard Minny or Alicky shooting...