The Vladimirovitchi - discussion and pictures, Part 2

[Carolath Habsburg]

Its on sale on Ebay as postcard

[Vecchiolarry]

Hi,

Ann:
Boris did tour the USA in the early 1900's, so maybe he again adopted (adapted) a Mohican look!!  He did visit a couple of Indian reserves....

Mandie:
Yes, the book about Maria Pavlovna, already in Russian, is to be published by Eurohistory in English, sometime in the Autumn, I believe.
I have spoken to Arturo Beeche and Galina Korneva, who wrote the book, about it.
Galina and her sister, Tatiana, also wrote the "Russia and Europe" book, which Arturo had translated and published last year.  This is another good reference book to have.

Larry

[Kalafrana]

Kirill seems to have tartan trimmings, though his parents do not exactly seem to have been pro-British.

Ann

[Eric_Lowe]

They like the pattern I believe, but also sure they might have British Nannies...

[Kalafrana]

Given that the parents were not known for being pro-British, I would be a bit surprised if they employed English nannies, but will check. According to Coryne Hall's 'Imperial Dancer', Andrei at any rate spoke excellent English, presumably learned in boyhood.

Ann

[Eric_Lowe]

British Nannies are the rage in many courts including the Austrian & Russian courts.

[Ally Kumari]

British Nannies are the rage in many courts including the Austrian & Russian courts.

But not universally. I believe Konstantinovichi children had a German nanny for instance.

[grandduchessella]

Given that the parents were not known for being pro-British, I would be a bit surprised if they employed English nannies, but will check. According to Coryne Hall's 'Imperial Dancer', Andrei at any rate spoke excellent English, presumably learned in boyhood.

Ann

The Vladimirs did employ an English nanny for their children--Millicent "Milly" Crofts (1852-1941) from 1876. She taught the children English early on, they sang English songs and she read classic English books such as Oliver Twist to them. Her great-aunt Kitty Sutton had been nurse to the future Alexander III and it was Kitty who recommended her to the Vladimirs. Kitty was given an apartment in the Winter Palace and later a grace-and-favour place near Tsarskoe Selo and, when she died, Alexander led her funeral procession to her burial in Smolenska Cemetary.  Grand Duke Nicholas "Nixa" had his own English nurse, Jane Isherwood as did their sister Alexandra (who died young), Margaret Hughes. Alexander III and Empress Marie also employed an English nanny who was especially close to Grand Duchess Olga who adored her.

[Eric_Lowe]

Read Charlotte Zeepvat's excellent book on British Nannies and you will see how far they stretched in influence in these courts and spreading English.

[Maria Sisi]

Grand Duke Vladimir



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What year was this taken and are there any other photos from this session?

[Svetabel]

Grand Duke Vladimir


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What year was this taken and are there any other photos from this session?

More likely 1867-1868. I think other photos have a chance to exist, as we never know exactly what our Russian Archives preserves in their storages.

[Kalafrana]

Vladimir was born in 1847, and I would say that he is around 18-20 here. The lack of face fungus suggests he is too young to grow anything convincing!

Ann

[Maria Sisi]

For comparison here is Vladimir in 1866 at 19. These were taken when his brother Alexander became engaged to Maria Feodorovna.




Maybe its just me but his face looks fuller in these photos then he does in the other one. His cheeks looks bigger and it looks like he was already getting a double chin. Is it possible he was 15-17 in that photo, making the date around 1862-1864 instead?

[Eric_Lowe]

He grew plump very quickly like his wife Miechen.

[Maria Sisi]

Boris and Elena


I always get nervous when I see a dog being held that way, it's like a bite waiting to happen.