Alfonso de Orleans, Infante of Spain and Beatrice of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha

[Eric_Lowe]

Baby Bee last wore her tiara publicly in the 1929 wedding as shown here. Timewise it is possible she could have sold it in 1935. But for the fact that the heirs claimed it was sold to the British Royal Family and that none of Missy's children seems to inheirited this particular tiara. 

[TampaBay]

What was Alfonso's lineage?  I know he was half French and half Spanish but how was he related to the two Royal Houses.

TampaBay

[REMI]

What was Alfonso's lineage?  I know he was half French and half Spanish but how was he related to the two Royal Houses.

TampaBay

Alfonso de Orleans Borbon is a great-grandson of Louis Philippe d'Orléans, King of the French, grandson of Antoine d'Orléans, duke of Montpensier who married in 1846 Luisa Fernanda de Borbon, infanta of Spain and Queen Isabel's sister. and son of Antonio de Orleans Borbon.
Alfonso wasn't...half french. He was entirely spanish and infante of Spain. He  was brigadier general in the Spanish Air Force. He took part to the Civil War with Franco.

REMI

[TampaBay]

REMI,

Thanks for the info.  In Missy's memoir's she describes her favorite brother-in-law, Ali as being half Spanish and and half French. 

Sorry for my mistake.

TampaBay

[Eric_Lowe]

Indeed...Just got the Ena & Bee book. It was Alfonso XIII and Ena who match make Ali and Bee. Bee had reservations about Ali's looks and his being a catholic...(well Ali wasn't bad looking but after Floppy (Grand Duke Mikail), he must be just okay at first glance !). 

[Eric_Lowe]

No pictures of Bee of her wedding. After the wedding the couple posed in front of the bridal car. It is a popular postcard.

[Eric_Lowe]

I think Bee got some emeralds from her mother at the time of her wedding, but it wasn't as spectacular as her other jewelry. At the division of the property, Sandra got the lion share of the property plus the fab ruby parure (which I think was the prime choice of the Duchess's collection). The best item from Bee's share was the diamond Fringe tiara that shes ometimes lent Missy to wear. Otherwise not a lot. Bee also had to sell things during her 2 exiles.

[Svetabel]

That's a touching picture, every time I look at it I think what a wonderful pair they were...Of course we don't know all the details of their married life (and this is not our business actually) but in the pictures they look wonderful together in spite of Don Alfonso's severe and somewhat gloomy appereance.

[Marlene]

They were a happily married couple ...

That's a touching picture, every time I look at it I think what a wonderful pair they were...Of course we don't know all the details of their married life (and this is not our business actually) but in the pictures they look wonderful together in spite of Don Alfonso's severe and somewhat gloomy appereance.

[Norbert]

So when Montpensier died in 1890 when didn't his French title pass to his family?

[REMI]

So when Montpensier died in 1890 when didn't his French title pass to his family?

The title of "duke of Montpensier" is a French title which only depends on the head of the House of Orléans. When Antoine d'Orléans married the infanta Maria Luisa Fernanda de Borbón, he became infante of Spain. His French title returned to the Orléans and was conferred in 1890 to Ferdinand d'Orléans(1884-1924) by his father, the count of Paris... Ferdinand, by his
mother, Maria Isabel, was also the grandson of Antoine, duke of Montpensier.

REMI

[Norbert]

hi Remi, many thanks for the reply. I suppose i'm not quite sure of the details which i hope you will help me with. Montpensier, a French Prince ,marries into the Spanish Royal House in 1846 and is created an Infante of Spain in 1859. He is always known as Montpensier and did not rennounce his claim or membership of the French Royal House. So why didn't Infante Fernando succeed as 2 Duke of Montpensier? I didn't think French Royal Dukedoms were given for life and it didn't stop his son taking an Italian Dukedom in 1895. many thanks

[REMI]

Hello Norbert. Yes, Montpensier did not renouce his rights to the throne of...Louis Philippe. He carried on bearing the title of duke of Montpensier all his life, till his death in 1890 indeed.You talked about don Fernando, the eldest son of the duke, I suppose? But this prince died before his father on the third of december 1873 in the Little Seminary of La Chapelle Mesmin (Loiret) where he was pupil. He was 14 year old. He is buried in Dreux with the other Orléans.

REMI

[Eric_Lowe]

Well...The titles of Infante in Spain and Duke of Galliera is good enough for Ali & Bee.

[Norbert]

Hello Norbert. Yes, Montpensier did not renouce his rights to the throne of...Louis Philippe. He carried on bearing the title of duke of Montpensier all his life, till his death in 1890 indeed.You talked about don Fernando, the eldest son of the duke, I suppose? But this prince died before his father on the third of december 1873 in the Little Seminary of La Chapelle Mesmin (Loiret) where he was pupil. He was 14 year old. He is buried in Dreux with the other Orléans.

REMI

Of course , sorry Remi. I didn't know where he died, Burkes had " nr Orleans", so many thanks.
So to return to my question (if you will kindly bear with me). Why didn't the Royal title pass to Antonio who would still be a French Prince?   

 Hi Eric As regards the Galliera title , I believe it came from an inheritance in Italy and was of no great historical interest whilst Montpensier has a glorious history.