Crown Prince Rudolph--controversies, affairs & his death, Part II

[brnbg aka: liljones1968]

People, could anyone post photos of Mayerling Hunting lodge's plans of interior, with floors and rooms marked. It have been posted here, but unfortunately I can't find it right now.

as per request, here are the plans:
(NOTE: i'm not sure why, but the images, as posted, aren't clickable... i'll try to remedy that situation.)


the first floor


the ground floor


site plan


the convent that replaced the hunting lodge



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[brnbg aka: liljones1968]

People, could anyone post photos of Mayerling Hunting lodge's plans of interior, with floors and rooms marked. It have been posted here, but unfortunately I can't find it right now.

as per request, here are the plans:
(NOTE: i'm not sure why, but the images, as posted, aren't clickable... i'll try to remedy that situation.)

ADDENDUM: i have, hopefully, fixed the link issues re: the plans.  i don't know how many of you have seen them before, but i have also, included 4 "3D" models of the crime scene, which were based on the the known evidence (i gather this means those points/things which all accounts have in common).... nonetheless, take it all with a grain of salt.    (which loosely translates as:  i haven't got a clue where i found them, who did them, or when they were done.)

they do look rather like a "Sims" setting, though, don't they?  LOL


click on the images for larger size



















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[Clemence]

In Greece it's known that Mary Vetsera's mother was of the Baltazzi family, of Greek origins (Μπαλτατζής, from the island of Chios I believe), yet in the wikipedia I find the family reported as Italian. Could someone help me out with this maybe?

[Greenowl]

I always understood that they were originally from Venice but moved to Izmir (Smyrna) and then to Constantinople (Istanbul) in the 18th. century. Helene Vetsera was actually born in France (Marseilles) but at the time of her marriage to Albin von Vetsera (who was from Bratislava, the capital of Slovakia) was described as "the richest young woman in Constantinople". I don't know if this information is of any help!

[Clemence]

Thank you very much, I also found this that might be of some help (it was for me):

http://levantineheritage.com/testi44.htm

[Greenowl]

Thanks Clemence,

that was very interesting and clarifies many confusing issues. I only scrolled through it quickly but will read it in more detail later.

Cheers,
GREENOWL (Monika)

[Maria Sisi]

Sorry if this has already been discussed but I was reading Joan Haslip's biography on Elisabeth and she mentioned the possible signs that Rudolph wasn't exactly mentally stable started at an early age. She said Rudolph drew pictures of dead animals with all the blood showing and how he was excited to show them to his mom and her horror didn't register with him or something like that. Is this actually true, has anyone actually seen such pictures?

I also read somewhere else he also had a whole dead horse stuffed and on display in a glass case in some wild pose and that he was very rough with other animals as well when growing up. I believe Brigitte Hamman's bio on Elisabeth has a similar theme concerning Rudolf and animals as well although I'm not sure.

It's been mentioned that Rudolph tried to win his mother's affection by taking interest in things that she had passion for so I find it strange that he would do such things considering how much of an animal lover she was.

I've only read a few things on Rudolf but never a full biography study since I unfortunately don't know German. Is there anything in English that anyone can recommend?
 

[Romanov_Fan19]

is the CROWN PRINCE   2006   available online in English

[Yelena Aleksandrovna]

Deathbed



Funeral



Source: http://alzbeta-sisi.blog.cz/

[Clemence]

I always understood that they were originally from Venice but moved to Izmir (Smyrna) and then to Constantinople (Istanbul) in the 18th. century. Helene Vetsera was actually born in France (Marseilles) but at the time of her marriage to Albin von Vetsera (who was from Bratislava, the capital of Slovakia) was described as "the richest young woman in Constantinople". I don't know if this information is of any help!

The irony of being so rich and loose everything!

https://androom.home.xs4all.nl/biography/p008531.htm

[sabrenoir]

Hello All,

The bed where found dead the Crown Prince Rudolf and the Baroness Mary Vetsera would always exist. Does anyone have a photo of the famous bed?

Thanks,

Richard

[Yelena Aleksandrovna]

Hello All,

The bed where found dead the Crown Prince Rudolf and the Baroness Mary Vetsera would always exist. Does anyone have a photo of the famous bed?

Thanks,

Richard

Not much time ago I saw (and reblogged) a post on tumblr saying that the bed where Crown Prince Rudolph and Mary Vetsera died still exists, it was included a photo of it: Click here!!!

[oscarov]

Hello, i afirm, my grand grand father is son of Rudolf,
in this month, i will make studies ADN with other people in USA.

saludos.

[Clemence]

Only today I saw this in wiki:

Latest evidence[edit]
On 31 July 2015 the Austrian National Library issued copies of Vetsera's letters of farewell to her mother and other family members. These letters, previously believed lost or destroyed, were found in a safe deposit box in an Austrian bank, where they had been deposited in 1926. The letters - written in Mayerling shortly before the deaths - state clearly and unambiguously that Vetsera was preparing to commit suicide alongside Rudolf, out of "love". They will be made available to scholars and are likely to be exhibited in public in 2016.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayerling_incident

Sorry if it has already been discussed in the forum

[Greg_King]

The letters went on display late last summer.  They're more interesting for clarifying decades of rumors about what they SUPPOSEDLY said and included than for illuminating anything.  Penny Wilson and myself have spent the last two years working on a new book on events at Mayerling (which should be out from St. Martin's late this year, fingers crossed) and fortunately not only did these letters surface at the right time but we also luckily had access to an unpublished account of events there by Court Commissioner Heinrich Slatin.  Since no one ever expects anything new to crop up in this case, hopefully it will prove interesting.