Crown Prince Rudolph--controversies, affairs & his death, Part II

[Zukunftsseele]

Thanks. Does anyone know where Mizzi has been buried respectively where her grave is?

[Ian (UK)]

   According to hungarian wikipedia Mitzi Kaspar died in Vienna Jan 29th 1907, so that narrows down the search. It also states that on Rudolfs death she was left a substantial amount of funds in his will. Hopefully this means she was solvent at the time of her death, & therefore must have a grave site.

[Zukunftsseele]

Yes. I already searched for her at findagrave.com and knerger.de but she isn't mentioned anywhere.

[Yelena Aleksandrovna]

Hmm..
Well the only one "new" i found was this one, among other women vinculateds with Rudolf

Isn't the third woman from left to right (on the second line) Mary Vetsera's mother? Or that's what I knew. Was really Rudolph involved with an affair with her?!? I've read that some people on his time suggested so (mainly after the incident of Mayerling) but on those times  many strange rumours were spread among the people about Rudolph and Mary. Would like to know so.

[Zukunftsseele]

Yes, it is Helene Vetsera, nee Baltazzi.

[Carolath Habsburg]

another image of Mizzi

[Zukunftsseele]

Awesome! Thank you so much. :-))

[oscarov]

An apology for not writing in English ... I continue with the story of my great-grandfather came to America in May 1881. I am sure he is the son of Prince Rudolf. My theory is on a ship that sailed in Italy in January 1881, Captain Luis Salvador of Tuscany and Australia via Honolulu, the trip there, as well as the meeting of Fernando IV and Rodolfo in Egypt before the marriage to Stephanie. What is logical comment. need to find someone that interests you but this story. There is a real sword with a shield that apparently was Prince Rudolf.









 

[Gerta]

   According to hungarian wikipedia Mitzi Kaspar died in Vienna Jan 29th 1907, so that narrows down the search. It also states that on Rudolfs death she was left a substantial amount of funds in his will. Hopefully this means she was solvent at the time of her death, & therefore must have a grave site.

 Is it true she died of complications of syphllis?

[Ian (UK)]

  It does not say, though I think that would be a high possibility for someone in her profession. Regarding her burial I would make a guess & say she was buried at the Zentralfriedhof in Vienna, but I have no evidence for this.

[Geniebeanie]

I just finished a interesting book Crime at Matyerling by George Markus.    It is the story how they died, and how her body was stolen twice from her grave.
First by the Nazsi's and then one hundred years after her death, her body was stolen by Helmut Flatzelsteiner.   He was a man obsesed by Matyerling.   The reason he stole her body was to determine how she died and to share the truth with the world.   The book was so good in detail, I could not put it down and finished it in four hours.    I bought it through Amazon.com.

[Ian (UK)]

   I see the conversation has now moved back to Mary Vetsera. Speaking as a Mayerling newbie this sounds like a very interesting book.

[feodorovna]

Having read through this fascinating thread, I would like to throw another possibility into the arena. Whilst it may not be true that MV was Rudolph's natural daughter, it may have suited her vengeful mother to allow him to believe he was and an opportune moment to reveal this "secret" presented itself when Mary became pregnant. Under those circumstances it probably would not have taken much to scare the girl with tales of Bavarian madness and add to this the possibility of Rudolph being syphillitic, the fear of the relationship being revealed either by blackmail or his "daughter" giving birth to his hideously deformed child/ "grandchild" and the scene may well have been set for the tragedy that ensued.

[Clemence]

I was thinking just about the same feodorovna!!!

[Yelena Aleksandrovna]

I don't know where to put this, so I'm sorry if this is the wrong place for the thread.
I am searching for photos / portraits of Mizzi Caspar, the mistress and close friend of Crownprince Rudolf of Austria. I only found this one and a portrait but I am sure there must be more photos, etc out there.

Found this photo labeled as her on a site, expect can be useful. (Not mine)