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Re: Grand Duchess Elizaveta - discussion and pictures PART IV
« Reply #105 on: June 16, 2011, 12:54:52 PM »
Don't beat yourself up over it. It's not that big a deal and usually passes unnoticed. That's why attention usually isn't brought about.

It is NOT true that anything on the internet is fair game. A lot of what is on the internet is copyrighted. Some people (like Diana Mandache) watermark everything they put on their blogs, archives like the Hesse and others do the same. Some images are in the public domain--usually those before 1935 (?). (I think it's 75 years.) However, when one knows who the specific item belongs to (in this case an ebay seller), those images belong to him/her. It's up to them to make a fuss or not. Copyright is often hard to determine--especially with older items and when they are out on the internet. However, many items are only on the internet because someone broke copyright in the first place. It's part of the reason that you see so many items marked on here. That at least preserves the image somewhat from being passed all around. Eric is right--unless the activate the activa (one example) program that prevents downloading, they are usually able to be saved. Some people prevent that on ebay and other sites though.

Anyway, like mentioned on the other thread, I would look up the thread on copyright. There is some really good information there, esp by Marlene who is pretty much an expert as well as being a librarian and published author.
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Re: Grand Duchess Elizaveta - discussion and pictures PART IV
« Reply #106 on: June 16, 2011, 12:59:16 PM »
It isn't the end of the world, but I do have an obligation when the owner of an image asserts copyright protection to respond and take down the images.  As said, just because it floats out there on the internet does not mean it is free to grab and use whenever or wherever you want. 


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Re: Grand Duchess Elizaveta - discussion and pictures PART IV
« Reply #107 on: June 16, 2011, 01:02:22 PM »
Exactly. To put it on this site make someone feel like adding insult to injury. Marlene is very strict on copyrights. So it is better not to copy things from Ebay I think.

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Re: Grand Duchess Elizaveta - discussion and pictures PART IV
« Reply #108 on: June 16, 2011, 01:03:34 PM »
Sorry--should have clarified that it is a big deal in terms of seriousness but not a big deal for us to deal with it. We will just remove the image and suggest that the copyright thread be checked out.
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« Reply #109 on: June 16, 2011, 01:04:47 PM »
Yes. A big deal to those who felt their rights infringed.

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Re: Grand Duchess Elizaveta - discussion and pictures PART IV
« Reply #110 on: August 18, 2011, 05:17:05 PM »
2 well known pics of Ella, but in slightly larger versions  :)





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Re: Grand Duchess Elizaveta - discussion and pictures PART IV
« Reply #111 on: August 19, 2011, 08:50:16 AM »
I bought the first one from Ebay. But scans of it has been flowing ever since.

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Re: Grand Duchess Elizaveta - discussion and pictures PART IV
« Reply #112 on: August 19, 2011, 02:06:36 PM »
It's interesting, she is looking into the lens in both, yet the expressions are so diffrent. That first one is  unusual seems to me. Eric,  is it small in size?

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Re: Grand Duchess Elizaveta - discussion and pictures PART IV
« Reply #113 on: August 19, 2011, 02:35:37 PM »
It looks like a cabinet card. Birgitte used to have it on her worldroots site (until she took the whole site down because, despite her requests on her main page not to reproduce the pictures were spread all over--this was a couple years ago). You can see more from the sitting if you go to the National Portrait Gallery website. There were multiple sittings done of Elizabeth and her sisters. This is a cropped in version of one of them.
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Re: Grand Duchess Elizaveta - discussion and pictures PART IV
« Reply #114 on: August 19, 2011, 05:23:33 PM »
Yes. It is a Cabinet card. I paid USD 600 for it.

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Re: Grand Duchess Elizaveta - discussion and pictures PART IV
« Reply #115 on: August 20, 2011, 03:06:23 AM »
There is also another very similar pic in one of David William Cripps` amazing volumes! :)
I actually like that one much better.

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« Reply #117 on: August 23, 2011, 03:43:48 PM »
From the Royal Collection I think. Alice looked almost saintly here.

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Re: Grand Duchess Elizaveta - discussion and pictures PART IV
« Reply #118 on: August 25, 2011, 08:39:17 AM »
I don't think this question was asked before. Did Ella had a relationship with cousin Charly (Princess Charlotte of Prussia, Princess of Saxe-Meiningen). Charly was photographed with Irene & Alix, but not sure if she knew Ella well...

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Re: Grand Duchess Elizaveta - discussion and pictures PART IV
« Reply #119 on: October 20, 2011, 10:54:22 AM »
Ella in the late 1890s or early 1900s.