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Alan

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Comparisons with England
« on: January 13, 2011, 05:42:55 AM »
As we all know, Nicholas II  and George V of England were first cousins, their mothers were sisters.
King George V is known not have been in favour of large palaces. His preferred residence for his private life was York Cottage on the Sandringham Estate in Norfolk. This building still exists and is not much larger than an ordinary person's house. Its now used as offices.
King Edward VIII, later the Duke of Windsor said "if you want to understand my father, look at York Cottage".

The King's cousin Nicholas II preferred the Alexander Palace because it is not large, compared withthe Catherine Palace or the Winter Palace in St Petersburg. The Alexander Palace also afforded him the privacy he desired for his family.

I wonder if this trait came from their mothers who were brought up in quite a small Danish palace?

Naslednik Norvezhskiy

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Re: Comparisons with England
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2011, 04:54:59 PM »
I wonder if this trait came from their mothers who were brought up in quite a small Danish palace?
No, Alexander III was equally fond of intimate family life and simple surroundings. It was l'esprit du temps, with the middle-classification of society. BTW former royals had not been unaffected by it either, just think of Louis XV, Madame de Pompadour, Louis XVI and Marie-Antoinette at Petit Trianon. Why, even Peter I liked to live in simple wooden houses, both in Zaandam and in St. Petersburg, where his log cabin still is proudly preserved close to the Winter Palace.

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Re: Comparisons with England
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2011, 09:13:28 PM »
It's a fairly normal pattern - among royalty and aristocrats throughout Europe.

Mind you, that said - the Alexander palace is not a lot smaller than say, Castle Howard in England lol. Maybe even larger in terms of footprint and accommodation. Its just less impressive than the catherine palace. It's more about living informally than the size - who wants to be formal all day??? lol.

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Re: Comparisons with England
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2011, 04:18:37 PM »
Actually, after looking up Castle Howard and Blenheim Palace and so on and their plans, the AP seems to be somewhat more extensive than either, and they are some of the largest aristocratic masterpieces in the UK. So, it's NOT small!!! lol. It would dwarf most of the country houses of Europe by some margin, including the privately owned residences of the British royal family.

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Re: Comparisons with England
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2011, 10:19:56 AM »
I think we have to adjust our mindsets when we find ourselves thinking of large royal palaces as private residences for monarchs.  They were far more, serving a multiplicity of purposes:  venues for state receptions, working and meeting spaces for daily management of government affairs, staff offices, school rooms, the residences of those attached to the court.

When Louis XIV turned his father's hunting lodge into the palace of Versailles, estimates are that it eventually became the home and workplace of close to 10,000 people.  There are probably vast expanses of the palace in which Louis XIV and his successors never set foot.  Usually the monarchs who lived in these great palaces actually lived (i. e., conducted their private lives) in apartments within the much larger buildings.  Perhaps Louis XIV, by placing his bedroom in the center of the palace overlooking the Cour de Honneur and by conducting his rising and bedding ceremonies as state events, came as close to living in the main rooms of a palace as any post-medieval monarch.

If the Alexander Palace is deemed small, that is only by Russian standards.  Its square footage exceeds that of Buckingham Palace.  But Nicholas and his family used relatively little of its floor space for their own private purposes, choosing a wing of the palace that its original designer thought of mainly as overflow space.  The wing they renovated into their personal home certainly was never intended to house the monarch, placed as it was closest to the street and, at least in the original layout, cut off from the palace's main rooms by the concert hall.  Also, the only rooms that accorded any privacy in that wing of the palace (by looking away from the entry courts) had a southwestern exposure which, in the era before air conditioning, was exactly where an architect would not have placed primary living spaces in a summer residence.

Many people do not realize that the family spent large amounts of time at the New Palace that Nicholas built at Peterhof, even when the court calendar showed him in official residence at the Alexander Palace.  The New Palace looks far more like the home of a prosperous industrialist of that era than a royal palace.  And everything about the New Palace and the private wing of the Alexander Palace -- their layouts, their decor, the store-bought furniture, the domestic clutter, the shared bedrooms -- indicate a deep craving on the part of Nicholas and Alexandra for domesticity.  In many ways, I think the New Palace was Nicholas and Alexandra's equivalent of George V's York Cottage.

I'm not so sure that it was the royal sisters Alexandra and Marie who instilled this sense of domesticity in their sons.  Marie Feodorovna loved pomp, elegant society, and stately surroundings.  It was at the insistence of her husband that she raised her family largely in the garret rooms of Gatchina, where the quasi-military tastes for simple food, camp beds, and cozy chambers could more readily be instilled in the children against a suitable physical backdrop.

Of the Romanov-era Russian rulers, I think the only ones who really had a taste for pomp and splendor in private life were Elizabeth, Catherine II, and Alexander I.  When one really catalogs the structures erected or chosen as venues for private life by the others, one finds a long list of cottages, retreats, private kitchens and gardens (Nicholas I cooked many of his own meals in a basement at the Alexander Palace and did much of the spring and summer gardening himself).

I think the closest a modern thinker can get to understanding how monarchs viewed their palaces is to think of how a CEO of a large corporation today views his corporate headquarters:  a showcase for the company's power and prestige, a workspace for his extended staff, a venue for board meetings and corporate events, a place where he keeps an apartment or a grounds house for convenience and easy access to corporate services . . . and a place where, like it or not, he has to spend an enormous amount of his time to maintain his grip on power.