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Re: Georg Friedrich von Preussen and Sophie Prinzessin von Isenburg
« Reply #120 on: October 28, 2013, 02:22:13 PM »


Remember that alongside the Napoleonic leyenda negra in the allied monarchies (UK, Austria, Russia and Prussia / Germany), there was also a heroic Napoleonic cult in the countries that had tasted freedom thanks to Napoleon's reforms and rearrangement of the European map: Italy, Poland, Norway, Finland? and indeed among all the left-wing and anti-establishment elements of all European nations except the UK.

He was also admired at first even by Alexander I and Konstantin Pavlovich....both of whom remained slightly ambivalent and reluctantly admiring even when he was at his most aggressive towards Russia.

Another country where Napoleon is extremely well-regarded today is Slovenia, which had never existed as a country and barely had a national movement at all before he made it the centre of the Illyrian provinces and temporarily detached it - and indeed most of Styria as well - from Austria. There is a statue of him today in Ljubljana.

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Re: Georg Friedrich von Preussen and Sophie Prinzessin von Isenburg
« Reply #121 on: October 28, 2013, 02:33:22 PM »

When I visited Vienna a few years ago, Franz Josef seemed to occupy much the same position as Queen Victoria does in Britain. As a ruler he made plenty of mistakes, but his lasting popular reputation is as a benign grandfather figure, neither inept like Nicholas II nor an aggressive blusterer (and even proto-Nazi) like the Kaiser.

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I wonder how much that has to do with just simple longevity, which inevitably softened his image as it did Victoria's? If he'd died or been deposed in middle age, I doubt that his reputation would have survived so well. He also enjoys a certain cult status in the *former* Habsburg lands, as does his wife far more so - who in her lifetime was really only popular in Hungary. I think the main reason for her new-found popularity is money...;-).

I'd say there's also been a fair amount of Habsburg nostalgia in many central European countries since 1991, which has helped them both (and Karl, whose photos I saw in a Catholic church in West Bohemia not long ago). It's interesting to speculate how different Wilhelm II's image might have been now if more of Germany had gone behind the Iron Curtain too...?

In Trieste there is a statue of Sisi in front of the railway station (itself full of photos of FJ), and a few streets away is Piazza Oberdan, named after the Italian nationalist who tried to kill Franz Josef there is the 1860s.....rather an irony!

Modified to say: FJ's age is also in issue inasmuch as it made him too old to be associated with the proto-fascist movements of the early 20h century, which he despised as vulgarly populist (e..g see his attitude to Lueger as mayor of Vienna).
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Re: Georg Friedrich von Preussen and Sophie Prinzessin von Isenburg
« Reply #122 on: January 20, 2014, 08:51:02 AM »
Today is the first birthday of the prussian twins Carl Friedrich and Louis Ferdinand von Preußen.
But there is still no picture of the princes...

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Re: Georg Friedrich von Preussen and Sophie Prinzessin von Isenburg
« Reply #123 on: January 22, 2014, 02:24:15 PM »
Is this long delay typical of Hohenzollern style or are people thinking there's something wrong?
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Re: Georg Friedrich von Preussen and Sophie Prinzessin von Isenburg
« Reply #124 on: January 22, 2014, 03:01:35 PM »
Is this long delay typical of Hohenzollern style or are people thinking there's something wrong?

As far as i remeber there pictures of Georg Friedrich's christening. I found it strange that no pic of the twins where published after the christening.
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Re: Georg Friedrich von Preussen and Sophie Prinzessin von Isenburg
« Reply #125 on: January 22, 2014, 06:29:48 PM »
Where are the pictures of the Christening? So far the only photos released about it where of the (empty) church, nothing else.....Or I´m  missing something?

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Re: Georg Friedrich von Preussen and Sophie Prinzessin von Isenburg
« Reply #126 on: March 03, 2015, 08:39:04 AM »
"Bunte" says that Georg Friedrich and Sophie expecting their third child this April.

Congrats!

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Re: Georg Friedrich von Preussen and Sophie Prinzessin von Isenburg
« Reply #127 on: April 02, 2015, 08:22:02 AM »
Princess Emma Marie of Prussia arrived today in Bremen.
Carl Friedrich and Louis Ferdinand are big brothers now.

I hope we will see this time a photo of the prussian family....

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Re: Georg Friedrich von Preussen and Sophie Prinzessin von Isenburg
« Reply #129 on: July 30, 2015, 01:52:03 PM »
I dont know if im looking wrong but i see four children in the image, two boys, one at the left and one very blond at the right , a baby in the supposed Sophie and a girl in the supposed Georg Friedrich s lap. Anyone else here see the same thing? :-o

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« Reply #130 on: July 30, 2015, 02:01:09 PM »
I think the sitting persons left and right are the Fürst & Fürstin, behind them Sophie and GF and the twins between them (on the lap on the left side)...



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Re: Georg Friedrich von Preussen and Sophie Prinzessin von Isenburg
« Reply #131 on: July 30, 2015, 02:19:12 PM »
The other Pictures left and right Show These Pictures:






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Re: Georg Friedrich von Preussen and Sophie Prinzessin von Isenburg
« Reply #132 on: July 31, 2015, 12:45:49 PM »
Ih this pic i see four kids as i described it above

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-wKJfgmeX-J0/VbpDpftSTUI/AAAAAAAACoA/kt6BANvvznQ/s1600/567379_232757415cayb4k34t51h5.jpg

Maybe im mistaken, i dont know.

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Re: Georg Friedrich von Preussen and Sophie Prinzessin von Isenburg
« Reply #133 on: July 31, 2015, 05:41:56 PM »
Ih this pic i see four kids as i described it above

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-wKJfgmeX-J0/VbpDpftSTUI/AAAAAAAACoA/kt6BANvvznQ/s1600/567379_232757415cayb4k34t51h5.jpg

I agree. It fits very well with Sophie's sister Katharina, married to Archduke Martin of Austria (looks like his receding, graying hair), who have four children, three blond boys (one on each side and the youngest in lavender in his father's lap) and the youngest one a girl in a pink-white outfit in her mother's lap.
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Как речь безмолвная могилы,
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Re: Georg Friedrich von Preussen and Sophie Prinzessin von Isenburg
« Reply #134 on: September 08, 2015, 11:23:14 AM »
Duchess Donata, Mother of Georg Friedrich, died on Saturday. Sie was 65 years Old.