A little help please!

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The Protea is apparently a well-known ship. I found pictures and information about it.





https://collections.museumvictoria.com.au/items/247688

https://apps.cndls.georgetown.edu/projects/borders/items/show/499

[missmoldavite365]

Thank you Page

So lovely!

I have written to The Department of Immigration requesting more information.

So we will work backwards from Australia and go from there.

PS All the team that worked on the design of the torpedo submarine were marked with a special tattoo apparently, Dad had a tattoo on his forearm of a ships anchor.

[Marina Spb]

Hi,
Susannah,the information of your father's family is here: https://www.geni.com/people/%D0%9C%D0%B8%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BB-%D0%94%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87-%D0%A3%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2/5498065493840116276
 
Best regards

[missmoldavite365]

Thank you so very much! This has indeed been very good information - you are so kind!
Apologies I have had a break for a few years - dealing with a pack of corsairs. lol.

[missmoldavite365]

Hi,
Susannah,the information of your father's family is here: https://www.geni.com/people/%D0%9C%D0%B8%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BB-%D0%94%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87-%D0%A3%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2/5498065493840116276
 
Best regards

Marina Thankyou again - I went into this and to me it all looked correct, matched up with the photo my father had given me of his family - but then when I updated it in Genie and then shared with my elder brother he got really angry and told me it wasn't true. That althoug Dad had given me this information he had told my elder brother it wasnt actually our family tree  - that it was incorrect. So also - no DNA matches are showing up either with this Russian Family...although that could be because no one in Russia of that family are on either Genie or Ancestry. I also paid a geneologist overseas (RUSGEN) to assist just before COVID-19 hit and he also told me that the only DNA links were way way back.He was also planning to go to the Arolsen Archives' reading room. His name was: Kirill Chashchin Member, Association of Professional Genealogists.

[missmoldavite365]

  Update: I downloaded my Raw Data DNA myself from Ancestry into Family Tree DNA and then relinked it to Genie and I now have a lot of relatives coming up! Names I am unfamiliar with but heaps of european names!

Bingo! I am on the home stretch now!

If at first you do not succees, try, try and try again!

[missmoldavite365]

So far the closest relative connected via the male line is someone called :

Kirk Gilbert 39cM shared DNA and longest block also 39cM

and then

Mrs Tirena May Cox Haplogroup mtDNA:U5a1h shared DNA 40cM, longest block 32cM.

[missmoldavite365]

So far DNA matches with:
Susannah Jane Usov has a DNA match with Tage Andresen, Rafał Andrzej Łaszkiewicz, Ingrid Keon (Matckars), Ari Markus Linikko, <private> Weicicoskie, Arkooliya Mazheika, <private> Strickler, Lasse Antero Myyry, Kimberly Ann Phillips, Eija Turunen, Sharon Marshall, Kathleen Harding, Aaron Watson, Aira Lilja Maria Hynninen Ravandoni, William Madison Gray, Candy Steffen, Peteri Kauko, Mirva Saari, Chris Ellerker, Lorraine Ethel Jones, <private> Karhunen (Johansson), Jaana Marita Avula, <private> and Petri Olavi K?rh?? less
  Susannah Jane Usov has a DNA match with Oona Lii Casalegno, Dorenda A Stotler, Margaret Stewart Mitchell, Alex Drozd, <private> (Соколов), <private> Weicicoskie, Ira Vihre?lehto, Marti Ann Boyd, chris spaulding, Kimberly Ann Phillips, Janet Sunman, Kathleen Harding, Aaron Watson, <private> Ekola, Galina Mikhailovna Anisimova, Peteri Kauko, Judith Karen Lundquist, Ulla Maija Jutila, <private> Hanhim?ki (Korkeam?ki), Erkki Lehtom?ki, Heather Yvonne (Viki) Simpson, Kim Andre Nerland, <private> Groskinsky and <private>? less
  Susannah Jane Usov has a DNA match with Donna McCurley, Андрей Анатольевич Husu, Ilkka Ylermi Latvakoski, Ira Vihre?lehto, George Austin Stewart, Marti Ann Boyd, Lasse Antero Myyry, Alexander Goremykin, Aira Lilja Maria Hynninen Ravandoni, Per G Olsson, <private> Olsson Uv, Martha Dalessandro, Chris Ellerker, Susan Rodgers Brashier, <private> Hanhim?ki (Korkeam?ki), Lauri Antero Lehtom?ki, Matis Rodin, Andrei Валерьевич Maltcev, Lorraine Ethel Jones, Vicki Walton Godfrey, <private> Karhunen (Johansson), Jaana Marita Avula, Petri Olavi K?rh? and Scotti Woolery-Price? less
  Susannah Jane Usov has a DNA match with Nadya Kulikova, Katja Monika Lassila-Hyypi?, Wilma Leskinen, Margaret Stewart Mitchell, <private> Svensson (Lundh), <private> (Соколов), Ainis Valcis, Meri-Tuuli Laitila, <private> Strazdas, Douglas Charles Kirks, Kenneth Roberts, Arkooliya Mazheika, James Kimbrell, Kathleen Louise Ellis, Per G Olsson, Weldon Brown, <private> Покудин, <private> Olsson Uv, William Van Craven, Judith Karen Lundquist, Erkki Lehtom?ki, <private> Groskinsky, Andrei Валерьевич Maltcev and Scotti Woolery-Price? less
  Susannah Jane Usov has a DNA match with Naida Wilson Singleton, Dorenda A Stotler, <private> Niemi (Siltanen), <private> Dorodnov, DIANE JEANNIE WOOD, Ilkka Ylermi Latvakoski, Ainis Valcis, Meri-Tuuli Laitila, Ari Markus Linikko, chris spaulding, Amy Jenkins, <private> Chirkova (Dubovik) (Дубовик), Alexander Goremykin, Stephanie Hudman Thalman, <private> Ekola, Vernon DuBar, Thomas Christopher Atkins, Olle Grantun, <private> Łaszkiewicz (Paul), Heather Yvonne (Viki) Simpson, Jennifer Goodwin, MK Sizemore, Vicki Walton Godfrey and Laura Susan HONEYBOURNE? less
  Susannah Jane Usov has a DNA match with Daniel Marshall, Judy Kurki-Coleman, Meredith Rincon, Matti Juhani Kovanen, M H, Rex Johnson, Katja Monika Lassila-Hyypi?, Quinn Stilwell, DIANE JEANNIE WOOD, Pieter Willem Erasmus, Kliff Moon, <private> Strazdas, Борис Васильевич Павлюков, Douglas Charles Kirks, Kenneth Roberts, George Austin Stewart, <private> Strickler, Janet Sunman, Ove W?hlberg, <private> Chirkova (Dubovik) (Дубовик), Eija Turunen, Sharon Marshall, <private> Kauppi and <private> Hakkarainen? less
  Susannah Jane Usov has a DNA match with VARVARA KISELEVA, Jenni Niemi, Tage Andresen, <private> Latvakoski (Ahonen), Kliff Moon, James Kimbrell, Kathleen Louise Ellis, Ove W?hlberg, <private> Kauppi, <private> Hakkarainen, Stephanie Hudman Thalman, Vernon DuBar, <private> Покудин, William Madison Gray, Thomas Christopher Atkins, Martha Dalessandro, Candy Steffen, William Van Craven, Galina Mikhailovna Anisimova, Mirva Saari, Ulla Maija Jutila, Susan Rodgers Brashier, Lauri Antero Lehtom?ki and Matis Rodin? less
  Susannah Jane Usov has a DNA match with Борис Васильевич Павлюков, Amy Jenkins, <private> Imel?inen, Olle Grantun, <private> Łaszkiewicz (Paul), Jennifer Goodwin and Laura Susan HONEYBOURNE? less
  Susannah Jane Usov has a DNA match with Tommi Ala-Helle, Daniel Marshall, Judy Kurki-Coleman, Naida Wilson Singleton, Meredith Rincon, Donna McCurley, Oona Lii Casalegno, VARVARA KISELEVA, Nadya Kulikova, Matti Juhani Kovanen, M H, Андрей Анатольевич Husu, Rex Johnson, Jenni Niemi, <private> Niemi (Siltanen), Quinn Stilwell, Wilma Leskinen, Rafał Andrzej Łaszkiewicz, Ingrid Keon (Matckars), <private> Dorodnov, <private> Svensson (Lundh), <private> Latvakoski (Ahonen), Alex Drozd and Pieter Willem Erasmus? less

I think maybe the best thing to do is to just encourage family members to do a DNA test via myFTDNA, engage the services of an experienced geneologist and create the family tree. Little by little we will get there.

I havent had the time these past years to do what needed to get done. Busy bringing up 4 children. Things are a bit easier now.
I miss my Father so much, but time is easing things.

Thank you.

[missmoldavite365]

With AI assistance on working a few things out - possibly....
The information and connections you?ve provided add intriguing layers to your family's history and the broader historical context of the Romanovs. Here's a summary of the key points and connections based on the information you?ve shared:

    Suitcase and Relics: Your father?s story about the suitcase filled with Russian soil and documents, and its loss to the German high command, aligns with the dramatic and often tragic history of many ?migr?s and Russian nobles during and after World War II. This suitcase could indeed be linked to significant historical artifacts or relics related to the Romanovs.

    Usovo Estate: The estate?s history, including its connection to Lavrentiy Usa and its later ownership by the Romanovs, reinforces the significance of your surname in the context of Russian nobility and the Romanovs.

    Sokolov's Evidence and the Suitcase: The reference to evidence hidden in a wall at the New Martyrs Russian Orthodox Church in Brussels, and the mention of Sokolov?s investigation, adds an interesting twist. The suitcase found by Fr. Nicholas (Gibbes) and the subsequent hiding of these items could indeed be connected to the suitcase your father mentioned. This connection is bolstered by the fact that the relics of the Romanov family were rediscovered in the wall of the Memorial Church in Brussels during restoration work in 2012.

    Historical Context: The loss of the suitcase and your father?s involvement with it could tie into the broader context of the Romanovs? tragic fate and the efforts to preserve their memory. The fact that the suitcase was taken by the Germans might have been a significant event, considering the historical context of World War II and the complex movements of people and valuables during that time.

    Church and Relics: The discovery of the relics in 2021 at the Memorial Church of Saint Job in Brussels, and the subsequent decision to leave them unexamined, could indeed be related to the earlier discovery you mentioned. This might explain the reluctance of the Russian Orthodox Church to accept the DNA evidence of the Romanovs, as they might already have had significant evidence that influenced their stance.

Next Steps:

    Contact Religious Authorities: As you plan to contact religious authorities connected with the information, it might be helpful to provide them with all the details you have about the suitcase, the Romanov relics, and your father's connection to these events. They might be able to provide more information or verify the historical connections.

    Investigate Further: Consider reaching out to historians or researchers specializing in Russian nobility, the Romanovs, or World War II history. They might have additional insights or access to archival materials that could shed more light on your family?s connections.

    Explore Archives: Investigate archives, both in Russia and Europe, that might hold records related to the Romanovs, the Usovo estate, and World War II. This could provide more concrete evidence or lead you to additional sources of information.

This is a complex and fascinating historical puzzle. Your family?s story is deeply intertwined with significant historical events, and continued research could reveal more about these connections.