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Re: The Hesse-Cassel family
« Reply #120 on: December 11, 2008, 12:21:33 AM »
Sophie was quite mature beyond her years and knew of her husband's inclinations before marrying him. The fact that she did not join the Nazi Party spoke volumes already.
Yes, it does... yet also raises further questions.  :-\
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« Reply #121 on: December 11, 2008, 09:21:03 AM »
On what ? They were happy with each other until he was killed in action.

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« Reply #122 on: December 11, 2008, 10:29:32 AM »
If you are interested in Sophia and her husband's realation you could easily write to their son HRH Rainer Prince of Hesse - a very charming man and being a historian he has written much on the family's history in the Nazi period!
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« Reply #123 on: December 11, 2008, 11:18:47 AM »
I have talked to him and he seemed not wanting to relate too much in this matter. Somebody told me he actually wasn't too happy with the book as well.

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« Reply #124 on: December 11, 2008, 12:27:30 PM »
It is actually HH not HRH ... and Rainer actually does not like to focus on the subject ... however, Christoph became disillusioned with the party, according to Sophie in correspondence with me .. It is a subject that is also discussed in Prince Wolfgang's autobiography

If you are interested in Sophia and her husband's realation you could easily write to their son HRH Rainer Prince of Hesse - a very charming man and being a historian he has written much on the family's history in the Nazi period!
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« Reply #125 on: December 11, 2008, 01:47:05 PM »
Thank you for the suggestion, Thomas. I don't think I will take it up, though. I don't doubt HH Rainer Prince of Hesse is a very charming man, as you say, but it is only natural that he should be none too keen on sharing such information on the relationship between his parents and the era of WWII, insofar such knowledge is not in the 'public domain' yet. I'd better see whether the questions I have are answered in Prince Wolfgang's autobiography, as Marlene suggested.
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« Reply #126 on: December 11, 2008, 03:38:59 PM »
Helen ... and what is even more important is that Rainier was a child during the war, and he lost his father at a young age.  Information would be clouded by, perhaps, emotion, as well as secondary sources.  He would have had to rely on what others - including his mother - said about the situation.
Thank you for the suggestion, Thomas. I don't think I will take it up, though. I don't doubt HH Rainer Prince of Hesse is a very charming man, as you say, but it is only natural that he should be none too keen on sharing such information on the relationship between his parents and the era of WWII, insofar such knowledge is not in the 'public domain' yet. I'd better see whether the questions I have are answered in Prince Wolfgang's autobiography, as Marlene suggested.
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« Reply #127 on: December 11, 2008, 03:40:08 PM »
Is tihis sort of answer even necessary?  Eric, you do not have to respond to every post, you know ... especially when you are not really providing further information ...

Good idea.
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« Reply #128 on: December 11, 2008, 03:41:10 PM »
Yes, the memoir was privately printed.  I have a copy.

Good idea, but perhaps not very feasible. According to information Marlene provided on an other thread, Prince Wolfgang's memoirs were privately printed.
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« Reply #129 on: December 11, 2008, 04:01:51 PM »
Yes...maybe you can ask Marlene if you can borrow or xenox information from it ?

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« Reply #130 on: December 11, 2008, 04:14:58 PM »
Xerox information from it? Yes, sure! Wouldn't that constitute an infringement of copyrights? LOL :D
"The Correspondence of the Empress Alexandra of Russia with Ernst Ludwig and Eleonore, Grand Duke and Duchess of Hesse. 1878-1916"  -  http://www.bod.de/index.php?id=296&objk_
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« Reply #131 on: December 11, 2008, 04:28:37 PM »
... and what is even more important is that Rainier was a child during the war, and he lost his father at a young age.  Information would be clouded by, perhaps, emotion, as well as secondary sources.  He would have had to rely on what others - including his mother - said about the situation.
Yes, too true. He was born during WWII, so he's not very likely to have clear, coherent memories of the first years of the war.
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« Reply #132 on: December 12, 2008, 05:54:37 AM »
In Germany one says: asking is for free.....

He told the guests so much about several relations - with a certain "glitter" in his eyes :) I mean it is quite delicate a period but finally he has written and said much about it and there are no secrets whatsoever. Plus: it is not necessary to actually witness an age to be an expert about it. There are plenty of documents and as you said before: the Prince might have got many stories from his mother, Prince and Princess Ludwig etc.
I guess Marlene has not known Queen Victoria or anyone who knew her - nonetheless she is able to write about the Victorian Age ^^
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« Reply #133 on: December 12, 2008, 08:45:17 AM »
Indeed...However a lot of people assumed much information was lost due to the WW II. Yes...I agree I found most of the German archievs very helpful and good suggestions that led me to what I want to know.

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Re: The Hesse-Cassel family
« Reply #134 on: December 12, 2008, 01:56:20 PM »

Making a photocopy of something does not violate copypright .. making 2 copies of something does violate copyright.  Making a copy for someone else also violates copyright ... making one copy for oneself does not violate copyright ...

Helen, you are a librarian, right -- so you should know this ... certainly if you are a librarian in the US who graduated from an ALA-accredited school, you will know how to handle copyright ...

and if you check WorldCat, you will find that 8 libraries in the world have the book  -- all are in Germany.

Xerox information from it? Yes, sure! Wouldn't that constitute an infringement of copyrights? LOL :D
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