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Re: The Hesse-Cassel family
« Reply #270 on: July 08, 2013, 06:07:57 AM »
Obviously Empress Frederick, who was an implacable enemy of the 'fringe', wasn't able to exert enough influence to talk her out of that on her wedding day. :) I think it really made poor Margaret look rather frumpy on her wedding day. The dress was a beautiful, if overdone by today's standards, Victorian concoction but her hair looks rather blowsy.

Yes, mothers traditionally helped with the dress (they probably had more influence then than today) and definitely with the trousseau since it would contain 'grownup' outfits and unmentionables. In the case of Princess Alexandra, her mother would've had sway if not for the fact that she was marrying the heir to the British throne and Queen Victoria's wishes (as per usual!) took precedence over  a mere 'Princess mother'.

The Empress Frederick had a down on fashionable fringes, but there seems little else which was worn at that period and Mossy would have felt horribly underdressed if her hair had not met the basic fashionable standards of the time.  But I would agree the whole effect, hair and dress, is heavy and far too elaborate.  I've never been certain of the Empress Frederick's taste - she never looked terribly well turned out in my view, all her clothes looked rather too heavy and elaborate as well, and I wonder if she held sway over the dress design.

With regard to Alexandra's trousseau, I think the charge of interference is a little unfair to Queen Victoria.  The lace dress King Leopold gave was a wedding present, and although he intended it to be worn by the bride, there is no indication that it had been specially requested by the Danish royal family nor that it was actually rejected - presumably it was available for other uses than bridal.  The majority of Princess Alexandra's trousseau was made in Denmark and there is no evidence that Queen Victoria had a say in it of any kind (or showed any inclination to do so).  The replacement of a Brussels by Honiton lace dress was essentially political - a bride this important to Britain should be wearing completely British manufacture.  Princess Alexandra and her mother understood their duty in relation to her future position as the Princess of Wales and basically accepted a substitution, they weren't ridden roughshod over an entire trousseau.


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Re: The Hesse-Cassel family
« Reply #271 on: July 08, 2013, 10:30:18 AM »
Margaret's mother wished she would adopt the 'smoothed off the brow' style of Victoria Melita and, for the most part, Grand Duchess Elizabeth. I must agree--I think that style was much for flattering on pretty much everyone. Plus, combined with the lovely floral hair arrangement would've been appropriate for the wedding.  It also suited tiara wearing very well.
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Re: The Hesse-Cassel family
« Reply #272 on: July 14, 2013, 12:45:27 PM »
I wonder if Alexandra kept the Brussels lace for another dress ?

Indeed the dress is usually part of the trousseau.

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Re: The Hesse-Cassel family
« Reply #273 on: August 28, 2013, 03:38:56 AM »
Late Landgraf Moritz with his grandmother:


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Re: The Hesse-Cassel family
« Reply #274 on: August 28, 2013, 01:01:49 PM »
Great photo, Marc! It's very hard to come across photos of Margaret post-WW1. She is looking very tenderly at this grandchild. :)  While she and her husband were personally fond of Moritz's mother Mafalda, they weren't keen on the idea of a Catholic wedding. They didn't attend the wedding of Moritz's parents. As a side note, she was named Margaret supposedly after that great friend of her parents, Queen Margherita of Italy--the grandmother of Moritz's mother. I think the 2 families having a common descendant would've made Vicky and Fritz very pleased.
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Re: The Hesse-Cassel family
« Reply #275 on: August 28, 2013, 01:24:50 PM »
LIFE archives have a few like this one, taken in 1946

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Re: The Hesse-Cassel family
« Reply #276 on: August 28, 2013, 06:47:59 PM »
As a side note, she was named Margaret supposedly after that great friend of her parents, Queen Margherita of Italy--the grandmother of Moritz's mother. I think the 2 families having a common descendant would've made Vicky and Fritz very pleased.

I think that I have read in Queen Elena's biography that Margaret was named after Queen Margherita,who was also a godmother of Margaret and that's why she was very happy to see her granddaughter married to her goddaughter's son,especially after so much trouble about Yolanda's marriage...

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Re: The Hesse-Cassel family
« Reply #277 on: August 28, 2013, 08:12:06 PM »
LIFE archives have a few like this one, taken in 1946

http://images.google.com/hosted/life/5c376ff3b8b7ccd1.html

Yes, there was a brief flurry of publicity around the Hesse jewel theft but the period in the 1920s and 1930s is really rare. Mafalda's wedding to Phillip garnered a lot of press--more than the marriages of her other children--so I wish the couple had been there.
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Re: The Hesse-Cassel family
« Reply #278 on: August 28, 2013, 11:39:15 PM »
It was an international wedding of a ruling monarch that is why.

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« Reply #279 on: August 29, 2013, 03:44:14 AM »
Philip wasn't a reigning monarch at the time of the wedding. His father was still alive, and had in any case abdicated in 1918. Perhaps it was that Mafalda was the daughter of a reigning monarch.

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« Reply #280 on: August 29, 2013, 08:46:48 AM »
I believe that's what Eric meant--it should've been the marriage involving a reigning house. And, yes, that's I know that's why it garnered more press attention. :)  It's because of that fact that I wish that Margaret and Friedrich Charles would've attended. It would've been ripe for photos of them. I have postcards from Wolfgang's marriage and Christopher's marriage but I have whole magazines dealing with Phillip's to Mafalda. There was some coverage of the other weddings in German magazines but the Italian marriage was covered worldwide.
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Re: The Hesse-Cassel family
« Reply #281 on: August 29, 2013, 11:12:41 AM »
Did Margaret and Philip not attend in mild-protest of the Catholic wedding?
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« Reply #282 on: August 29, 2013, 12:56:40 PM »
Thanks grandduchessella. That is obvious as the daughter of a king, Mafalda would be press worthy. It is like comparing the wedding of Infanta Elena of Spain with that of Hubertus of Coburg.

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Re: The Hesse-Cassel family
« Reply #283 on: August 29, 2013, 08:39:23 PM »
Yes, that was my whole point. That it would've been a prime photo opportunity for photos of Margaret during this period of time where they are hard to come by. Her other children's wedding received coverage but it was local and postcards not as numerous. Even in the German papers, which still did coverage the deposed royalty to varying extents, Margaret is hard to find--though she was rather even during the years of the monarchy. She just led a quieter life than many others.
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« Reply #284 on: August 29, 2013, 11:18:43 PM »
Indeed...I do wonder if Margaret's letters to her sisters (Moretta & Sophie) survive ? In "Born to Rule" Margaret & Sophie's letters to a Ms Crochrane (I got one of those in my collection from Sophie) and a religious man (maybe Dean of Windsor). Those are in Oxford University. But those to each other I am not sure...