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Relation to Alix
« on: January 06, 2005, 05:40:24 AM »
I remember reading that Mary Queen of Scots was among those of Empress Alexandra's ancestors. Can anyone explain exactly how this line may be traced?
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Re: Relation to Alix
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2005, 07:21:40 AM »
Most likely because Mary's son, James, took the English crown when Elizabeth died, and Alix was related to Queen Victoria.
She stepped away from me and she moved through the fair,
And fondly I watched her move here and move there,
Then she went her way homeward with one star awake,
As the swan in the evening moves over the lake.

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Re: Relation to Alix
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2005, 02:09:57 PM »
Check out the thread Russian Roots. ¬ There are some great genealogy web sites.

The best book I've found for ref. is ¬ Lines of Sucession by Louda and Maclagn. ¬  Pages have pedigree charts of various countries and when wives are mentioned, ¬ the data takes you to a different chart.

The son of Jamas VI, son of Mary Queen of Scots, became James I King of Great Britian who was Georg of Hanover's ancestor and how he fell into the line of sucession to be King Georg I of England, House of Hanover...

The German House of Hanover was changed to the House of Windsor to give themselves a dividing line between the Germans during WW I and Queen Victoria's line has been known as the House of Windsor since then...

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Windsors: http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=Windsor
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Re: Relation to Alix
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2005, 07:06:03 PM »
Gen.
Nicholas II, House of Romanov m. Alexandra [Alix] who was the dau. of

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Louis IV, GD of Hesse m. Alice who was the dau. of

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Albert, House of Sax-Colburg & Gotha m. Victoria, Queen of Great Britian who was the dau. of

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Edward, Duke of Kent who was the son of

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George III, King of Great Britian, House of Hanover who was the son of

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Frederick Lewis, Pr. of Wales, who was the son of

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George II, House of Hanover, who was the son of

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George I, House of Hanover, who was the son of

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Ernest Aug, Elector of Hanover m. Sophia, the dau of

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Frederick V and Elizabeth Stuart, who was the dau. of

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James I, King of England, known also as James VI of Scotland who was the son of

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Mary, Queen of Scots and her second husband, Lord Darnley



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Re: Relation to Alix
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2005, 09:30:39 PM »
All British monarchs are Mary's direct descendants and since Alix was QV's direct descendant she was also Mary's...  A short time before Mary was executed she supposedly said something to the effect of "in my end is my beginning". She wasn't kidding!  ;)
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Re: Relation to Alix
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2005, 10:05:08 PM »
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The son of Jamas VI, son of Mary Queen of Scots, became James I King of Great Britian

Actually, I believe that James VI of Scotland, Mary's son, himself became James I of England.
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Re: Relation to Alix
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2005, 07:48:41 AM »
Yes, Helen, Mary's only surviving child, James, did reign as James the VI of Scotland and the 1st of England.

As has been well defined above, Alexandra Feodorovna was a descendant of Marie Stuart.   It is an interesting  thought that the same blood which coursed through the veins of Marie Stuart flowed through those of Alexandra Feodorovna.   Although there appears to be no evidence of her having had any interest in the subject, undoubtedly Alexandra Feodorovna would have been fully aware of her ancestress' fate.

Marie Stuart and her tragic story is of worldwide endurance and fascination.   A few years ago a book was published in Russia.   It was titled 'The Axe, the Guillotine and the Bayonet'.   It was based on the fate which united those three tragic queens - Marie Stuart, Marie Antoinette and Alexandra Feodorovna.

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Re: Relation to Alix
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2005, 08:52:28 AM »
Tsaria that sounds like an intersting book.  What did you make of it?
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Re: Relation to Alix
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2005, 05:42:42 PM »
Dear Martyn

My Russian isn't great - it would have taken me around eighteen years, seven months and three and a half weeks to read, so I relied on a friend reading it aloud in translation - a real luxury... apart from the fact that, with the exception of the title, it was rather superficial.

A paperback, I think it must have been around 1996 when I purchased it in St Petersburg.   It now resides in Gibraltar with the Russian friend who skimmed a translation.

Now that I have remembered, and thought, about it again, I realize perhaps it was an opportunity lost.   The similarities and contrasts between these three ladies and their fates are worthy of serious study.

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Re: Relation to Alix
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2005, 05:34:14 PM »
Yes, i have always thought that this was possible!
which also means Alix could be related to my other fave of history..Elizabeth 1!  ::) ;D
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Re: Relation to Alix
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2005, 05:23:49 AM »
Elizabeth I and Mary, Queen of Scots were cousins, once removed.  

Elizabeth's father, Henry VIII's sister Margaret was married to Mary's grandfather James IV of Scotland.

In the few hours left after the sentence of death being given, her, Mary spent her last hours on earth writing letters.   The words she is reputed to have spoken were -

'Ma fin est ma commencement'

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Re: Relation to Alix
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2005, 07:50:57 AM »
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which also means Alix could be related to my other fave of history..Elizabeth 1!  ::) ;D


Yes, they both directly descended from Henry VII...  

And in case you were wondering, that quote that Tsaria gave roughly translates "In my end is my beginning"...

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Re: Relation to Alix
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2005, 12:23:33 PM »
lol, thanks for re-translating it..i thought i vaguely translated it, but i was wrong!  ::)

and yes, i know that mary and elizabeth were cousins.

Oh ys, and that brings up another prospect, Alix was related by henry's marriage bond to Anne Boleyn, eh Helen?  ;)
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Re: Relation to Alix
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2005, 12:29:35 PM »
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Alix was related by henry's marriage bond to Anne Boleyn, eh Helen?  ;)


Nope, nothing to do with Anne Boleyn...  ;)  Only through Henry VII. Elizabeth was Henry VII's granddaughter through his son Henry VIII, while Marie Stuart was his great granddaughter through his daughter Margaret... Alix was Margaret's and Marie's direct descendant but not Henry VIII's or Elizabeth I's...

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Re: Relation to Alix
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2005, 07:07:44 PM »
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Nope, nothing to do with Anne Boleyn...  ;)  Only through Henry VII. Elizabeth was Henry VII's granddaughter through his son Henry VIII, while Marie Stuart was his great granddaughter through his daughter Margaret... Alix was Margaret's and Marie's direct descendant but not Henry VIII's or Elizabeth I's...


Well, it was a cool thought/idea.. ;)
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