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Re: Re: Alexandra and her Health Part 2
« Reply #345 on: January 10, 2010, 09:42:48 PM »
Yes...Here, in Argentina too. I know some people who does it, but others says that these are people "too devoted to themselves". I think it's good not to have a too fatty diet or to drink too much wine or other liquors, but doing it with moderation and also eating a lot of vegetables and fruits could not harm anyone, unless he/she is previously ill.

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Re: Re: Alexandra and her Health Part 2
« Reply #346 on: February 05, 2010, 07:07:07 AM »
What has happened to the haemophilia gene ?
If it was passed on to most royal families in Europe by Queen Vivtoria and her children, surely it must still exist in the decendants today ?
If not, how did it die out, so to speak ? Has it just dissapeared ?

I hope someone has the answer, I have been trying to work it out.
The Spanish, German, Hesse and other families had it.
 
   

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Re: Re: Alexandra and her Health Part 2
« Reply #347 on: February 05, 2010, 07:37:32 AM »
What has happened to the haemophilia gene ?

It seems to have 'bred out'.

A carrier female has a 50% chance of transmitting her haemophilia gene, and so a 50% chance of not transmitting it. If she has a son with the gene he will be a haemophiliac, if a daughter she will have the same 50% chance of passing the gene on each time she has a child.

A male haemophiliac will inevitably pass the gene on to any daughter he has, so that any daughter will be a carrier female, with the 50% chance of passing on the gene.

Someone will no doubt carrect me if I'm mistaken, but as far as I'm aware the only royal haemophiliac who fathered children was Leopold of Albany. His son, Charles Edward of Albany and Coburg, was unaffected. His daughter, Alice of Athlone was a carrier. Her elder son was haemophiliac, her younger son, who died at 6 months, may have been. However, her daughter, May Abel-Smith, was presumably one of the lucky 50%, as haemophilia has not appeared among her descendants.

For the sake of completeness, the royal haemophiliacs I know of are:

Leopold of Albany (son and daughter)
Friedrich of Hesse (died aged 3)
Leopold of Battenberg (lived to adulthood but no children)
Waldemar of Prussia (lived to 56, but no children)
Heinrich of Prussia jnr (died aged 4)
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Alfonso and Jaime of Spain (both died from car accidents as young adults, no children)
Maurice of Teck, Viscount Trematon (died from car accident aged 21, no children)

The mathematicians on the Forum will no doubt compute the odd, but the risk of passing on the gene haves in each generation from a carrier female, and if a woman is not a carrier and a man is not a haemophliac there is nothing to transmit.

The situation is different with porphyria, which can appear to skip generations because not everyone with the gene is badly affected.

I have read suggestions that a female-line descendant of Victoria of Milford Haven is haemophiliac, but know nothing definite.

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Re: Re: Alexandra and her Health Part 2
« Reply #348 on: February 05, 2010, 07:47:12 AM »
Sorry, I don't want to be fretful....but wasn't Alice the second and not the fourth daughter of Victoria? I just wonder if I learned it wrong... ;)

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« Reply #349 on: February 05, 2010, 08:51:31 AM »
Sorry, I don't want to be fretful....but wasn't Alice the second and not the fourth daughter of Victoria? I just wonder if I learned it wrong... ;)

You're right - she was the second daughter.  Third child.

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Re: Re: Alexandra and her Health Part 2
« Reply #350 on: February 05, 2010, 01:18:35 PM »
Very interesting Ann!

I also heard that there is a persistent rumour that one of Ena's daughters may have been a carrier and passed haemophilia on! With regards to Victoria MH being a carrier.....Wow I have never heard that one before! It seems amazing that Alice could have been a carrier and for it to have been kept quiet! Perhaps Louise was,yet her stillborn child was a girl wasn't it? Not that this really makes any difference?

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Re: Re: Alexandra and her Health Part 2
« Reply #351 on: February 05, 2010, 02:20:23 PM »
Neither of Victoria MH's sons was haemophiliac. If her daughter Alice was a carrier, then statistically at least one of her own daughters should have been a carrier. The Duke of Edinburgh is certainly not a haemophiliac!

It is genetically possible that the gene would pass exclusively from female to female through several generations of one family, but a bit unlikely in reality.

The suggestion of a living royal haemophiliac is somewhere on the Royal Forums - a prince of Leiningen if I remember correctly. I will try to track it down over the weekend.

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Re: Re: Alexandra and her Health Part 2
« Reply #352 on: March 06, 2010, 01:09:49 PM »
in old movies of the royal family, you will notice that alexandra walks fast and that her head is always bobbing. i just read where due to an illness that she had, her neck muscles werent strong enough to hold up her head thus the constant bobbing. she must have had a brace as well.  if anyone has any additional information on this, i would greatly appreciate hearing about it. i cant remember what the disease was called but i think it was quite common in those days

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Re: Re: Alexandra and her Health Part 2
« Reply #353 on: March 06, 2010, 01:18:36 PM »
in old movies of the royal family, you will notice that alexandra walks fast and that her head is always bobbing. i just read where due to an illness that she had, her neck muscles werent strong enough to hold up her head thus the constant bobbing. she must have had a brace as well.  if anyone has any additional information on this, i would greatly appreciate hearing about it. i cant remember what the disease was called but i think it was quite common in those days
I am no expert on neither Alexandra's health nor old movie technology, but my guess is that it's due to her constantly acknowledging the greetings of loyal subjects by bowing - and the speed of really old movies always being faster than real-time.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2010, 01:22:13 PM by Fyodor Petrovich »

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Re: Re: Alexandra and her Health Part 2
« Reply #354 on: March 06, 2010, 10:15:41 PM »
Yes...That's the fact. She was always acknowledging while walking. It was her duty. The movements of her body are not from any illness, but they would come from her Empress condition.  ;D

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Re: Re: Alexandra and her Health Part 2
« Reply #355 on: March 06, 2010, 10:48:12 PM »
I must admit I tend to agree with Fyodor P and RealAnastasia here! I always assumed that Alexandra F was merely inclining her head in a gesture of acknowledgement to the throngs in footage I have seen! I admit that she is one of the few Royal personages of that era who did seem to do the head bowing thing quite a lot more noticeably than others though!


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Re: Re: Alexandra and her Health Part 2
« Reply #356 on: March 06, 2010, 10:52:06 PM »
I must admit I tend to agree with Fyodor P and RealAnastasia here! I always assumed that Alexandra F was merely inclining her head in a gesture of acknowledgement to the throngs in footage I have seen! I admit that she is one of the few Royal personages of that era who did seem to do the head bowing thing quite a lot more noticeably than others though!



If she didn't, she would have been accused of not acknowledging her subjects...

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Re: Re: Alexandra and her Health Part 2
« Reply #357 on: March 07, 2010, 12:31:28 AM »
It is not the old film that makes everyone look strange.  It is the speed of the old projectors as opposed to the speed of our modern ones.  The film runs faster through the modern projectors and that makes everyone look like they are Charlie Chaplin.

Some old projectors were hand cranked and so the speeds could be very slow.

I like the thought that bobbing her head was caused by her Empress condition  :-)

But as far as I know with all of the conditions that Alexandra claimed to have, a neck condition was not one of them.  Hmmm - I wonder if she every thought of it though as a way to get out of her royal duties?  She is said to have hated them so much.

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Re: Re: Alexandra and her Health Part 2
« Reply #358 on: March 07, 2010, 10:20:53 AM »
It is not the old film that makes everyone look strange.  It is the speed of the old projectors as opposed to the speed of our modern ones.  The film runs faster through the modern projectors and that makes everyone look like they are Charlie Chaplin.
Some old projectors were hand cranked and so the speeds could be very slow.
Ah, interesting, I didn't know!

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You will be thrilled to know that they were no ordinary royals, but Императорская фамилия, the Imperial Family! :-)

« Last Edit: March 07, 2010, 10:26:41 AM by Fyodor Petrovich »

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Re: Re: Alexandra and her Health Part 2
« Reply #359 on: March 07, 2010, 06:09:58 PM »
I agree,  although it is her verison of acknowledging people kind of the way Queen Liz uses her signature handwave.