Re: Alexandra and her Health Part 2

[darlene fogg]

Fyodor Petrovich , i was told that your words are very offensive shame on you. remember that these royals were offensive to the majority of not just the russiians but the majority of the world. they were self absorbed and unsensitive to most russians and their state. you live in a dream world and need some reality therapy

[Naslednik Norvezhskiy]

Lol, I feel I have passed a NAOTMAA initiation rite! For the first time, after 274 posts, irreverent little me who was a communist in my early teens is called a Romanov apologist! ***Does a Chukchi celebration dance***

Fyodor Petrovich , i was told that your words are very offensive shame on you. remember that these royals were offensive to the majority of not just the russiians but the majority of the world. they were self absorbed and unsensitive to most russians and their state. you live in a dream world and need some reality therapy

If you had read all my posts you would have seen that in, this thread: Why do some see Nicholas as guilty for being rich? I argue that had I been their Bolshevik judge, I would have condemned the whole family to live as their peasant or proletarian subjects, i.e. lifelong forced labour!

I agree that it's important to keep in mind that as touching as their home life may have been, it's important to keep in mind that these people were reviled both at home and abroad.

[RealAnastasia]

Fyodor Petrovich , i was told that your words are very offensive shame on you. remember that these royals were offensive to the majority of not just the russiians but the majority of the world. they were self absorbed and unsensitive to most russians and their state. you live in a dream world and need some reality therapy

I think that it is you who are being impolite. I'm for one, I DO LIKE the Imperial Family. I've my right to do so. And of course, you may not like them and have your own right to dislike everyone you wants. But you have no right to use ruda and rough words to speak of people who is now dead. Many nobility , Royals and Imperials were (and are) self-centered, unsensitivy and even bad in the row sense of this word, but not all of them. And certainly not every person of the world disliked them, I'm asure you. Some people loved Royals quite a lot. Maybe today propaganda says it was not this way, but believe me, it was.

My granny always remembered how much her Spanish own granny cried her eyes out when she knew that "those bad revolutionnaries" had chased King Alfonso XIII from his throne. He was loved by her, and by a lot of people like her, as if he was their  father, the father of the nation....And yes, go on and now call my poor great -great granny a poor ignorant...

RealAnastasia.

[Margot]

Darlene Fogg

I am rather surprised that you have taken such an aggressive tone with a member here on this thread! I wonder why you would respond so negatively when Fyodor Petrovich did nothing to actively provoke such a response!

It is most telling when one reads through this thread which you opened relating to the topic of a purported illness that Empress Alexandra Feodorovna may have suffered from, but which no posters who have contributed replies here has ever heard of! I find that in itself rather interesting!

 I was surprised and a little curious when I read you response to Fyodor Petrovich in which you started to berate him personally and then launched into an attack upon the Imperial family in a way that is frankly completely off topic! Then you accused a fellow poster of living in a dream world! I must say that such actions are not particularly friendly or positive when we have all tried to answer you question as best we can! You have also started another thread about the flowers being delivered from the Crimea during the war which in itself is a most unusual topic, pertinent I accept but the way in which you have responded on that thread with rather zealous overtones leaves one a little perplexed and suspicious of you true intentions here!

We all like to discuss these topics but when we disagree we tend to try not to appear or sound aggressive. Personal opinions are quite acceptable but provocative and frankly belligerent posts are not! Just a piece of friendly advice Darelene Fogg! After all I am sure you wouldn't want forum members to start thinking you may be a troll!

I may be quite wrong and if so I apologize! I am sure a Mod will intercede if they feel it is required! Anyway shall we continue with the topic of Alexandra's illnesses....I for one am very surprised that no one had created such a thread before, as I am sure it could run to countless pages!!!!!!

 

[Naslednik Norvezhskiy]

It is most telling when one reads through this thread which you opened relating to the topic of a purported illness that Empress Alexandra Feodorovna may have suffered from, but which no posters who have contributed replies here has ever heard of! I find that in itself rather interesting!

Yeah, weak neck muscles was such a common illness in the 18th and 19th centuries, wasn't it? I am sure that's what Marie Antoinette died of. Her poor neck simply gave in....

[Belochka]

Fyodor Petrovich , i was told that your words are very offensive shame on you. . remember that these royals were offensive to the majority of not just the russiians but the majority of the world. they were self absorbed and unsensitive to most russians and their state. you live in a dream world and need some reality therapy

The seemingly flippant nature of your remarks might amuse you but I personally find them impudent.

Your poorly structured approach leaves little more to be said.

[Kalafrana]

To be serious, given that Alexandra seems to have combined near-daily headaches with frequent dental troubles, could one of her ailments be tempero-mandibular joint syndrome and associated tooth-grinding in her sleep? From experience I know that this can produce very severe headaches which resist all normal painkillers. however, the problem can be dealt with by wearing a thing like a boxer's gumshield at night, and osteopathy and chiropractic also help. It tends to be stress-related (after changing jobs I was able to give up the gumshield). Difficulty in opening your mouth and loud creaking noises when doing so are typical (essentially, all your facial muscles go into spasm).

Alexandra should have abandoned Rasputin, found an osteopath and a better dentist!

Ann

[rosieposie]

Hey Ann,

That is a very good possiblity, could explain why her mouth always seemed pursed, like it was in pain in photographs.

[Kalafrana]

Rather a pity that nobody seems to have thought of it at the time.

The gumshield is a simple solution, and if it doesn't work it doesn't do any harm.

Ann

[historyfan]

To be serious, given that Alexandra seems to have combined near-daily headaches with frequent dental troubles, could one of her ailments be tempero-mandibular joint syndrome and associated tooth-grinding in her sleep? From experience I know that this can produce very severe headaches which resist all normal painkillers. however, the problem can be dealt with by wearing a thing like a boxer's gumshield at night, and osteopathy and chiropractic also help. It tends to be stress-related (after changing jobs I was able to give up the gumshield). Difficulty in opening your mouth and loud creaking noises when doing so are typical (essentially, all your facial muscles go into spasm).

Alexandra should have abandoned Rasputin, found an osteopath and a better dentist!

Ann

It all boils down to stress.  She suffered much because, I am convinced, of the level of stress.  Whether or not she brought it on herself is a different argument altogether - the point is, the woman was stressed right out, and that was most likely the base cause of a lot of, if not all of, her health problems. 

[grandduchessella]

2 issues:

1) Does anyone who speaks Russian know what  Императорская фамилия means? This was the phrase that started the posting about being offensive. I don't speak Russian so I can't comment. If it something very vulgar or profane, then it will be removed as per the stated standards of the Forum. If it is something subjectively offensive, depending on the severity, it will remain. Can anyone help here?

2) There are numerous threads about Alexandra's health. Please look before starting a new one as it makes maintaining the Forum very difficult. I have merged 5 threads all dealing with health & illnesses into one.

[Naslednik Norvezhskiy]

1) Does anyone who speaks Russian know what  Императорская фамилия means? This was the phrase that started the posting about being offensive. I don't speak Russian so I can't comment. If it something very vulgar or profane, then it will be removed as per the stated standards of the Forum. If it is something subjectively offensive, depending on the severity, it will remain. Can anyone help here?

LOL!
Императорская фамилия = Imperatorskaya familiya = the Imperial Family! (Just Google Image it and you'll see that it's not exactly filthy, unless you count the Imperial Family of Japan, Rasputin, the Romanov arms, the Royal Martyrs, the Winter Palace and Grand Duchesses Maria Vladimirovna and Ella as filthy!)
It's offensive to the presumed complainer Darlene Fogg, because she hates the Romanovs.

[Alixz]

It looks like all of the moderators are getting the same complaints.

I forwarded my bunch to FA.  I believe that he reads Russian and will straighten this all out.

In the meantime, could we please all stop making unpleasant comments and remarks to one another?

If this keeps up, the modertors will have as much stress as Alexandra did, maybe more!

[grandduchessella]

Ah, well then that clears that up.   I received a note as a mod to look into it but, as I said, I don't read Russian.

[Forum Admin]

2 issues:

1) Does anyone who speaks Russian know what  Императорская фамилия means? This was the phrase that started the posting about being offensive. I don't speak Russian so I can't comment. If it something very vulgar or profane, then it will be removed as per the stated standards of the Forum. If it is something subjectively offensive, depending on the severity, it will remain. Can anyone help here?

2) There are numerous threads about Alexandra's health. Please look before starting a new one as it makes maintaining the Forum very difficult. I have merged 5 threads all dealing with health & illnesses into one.

Императорская фамилия reads: "Imperatorskaya Familia" or the Imperial Family. Surely this is some sort of stupid prank??