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« Reply #375 on: March 08, 2010, 05:07:09 PM »
FA it was a genuine question,  not some prank.  Some people don't read or know much of  cyrillic.   It's like me who can't read Kenji because I don't understand it  Even though I have a lot of Japanese Doujinshis.

Back on health,  yes I think the gum guard would have helped her.

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« Reply #376 on: March 08, 2010, 05:37:49 PM »
I am probably just cranky, but I think that Alexandra could have been helped by a good psychiatrist.  Too bad the science wasn't invented in her time.

Well, it was, but it was new and she didn't know Freud.

But then she liked to believe in false prophets and soothsayers so she probably wouldn't have been interested in Freud anyway.

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« Reply #377 on: March 08, 2010, 05:55:33 PM »
FA it was a genuine question,  not some prank.  Some people don't read or know much of  cyrillic.

The post said:
in old movies of the royal family

You will be thrilled to know that they were no ordinary royals, but Императорская фамилия, the Imperial Family! :-)
If that's not a complimentarily provided translation I don't know what is.

And of course I didn't nitpick on Darlene Fogg's post just to be pedantic, but because her posts about the Imperial Family were impertinent and badly researched.
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« Reply #378 on: March 08, 2010, 06:05:31 PM »
I am probably just cranky, but I think that Alexandra could have been helped by a good psychiatrist.  Too bad the science wasn't invented in her time.

Well, it was, but it was new and she didn't know Freud.

But then she liked to believe in false prophets and soothsayers so she probably wouldn't have been interested in Freud anyway.

So perhaps your saying she might have had manic depression? Could be.  I know a few people with mental health issues go to clairvoyants and psychics wanting someone to talk to in the hopes of the reader telling them that the person was fine etc.

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« Reply #379 on: March 09, 2010, 03:31:26 AM »
People with vague and chronic ailments quite frequently turn to what is now called alternative medicine. Some of it is perfectly good and valid stuff (I started going to a chiropractor because of headaches associated with a stiff neck and creaking jaw, and found a big improvement). Some of it is distinctly cranky. Unfortunately, in my view, Alexandra tended towards the cranky end.

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« Reply #380 on: March 09, 2010, 06:17:56 AM »
She was seriously depressed, chronically. The worst thing one can do is lock yourself up in a room, as she did. Going out and doing things, meeting people,  helps enormously.
To think of all those beautiful gardens, the trees and the lakes . She could have gone for wonderful walks. The exercise would have helped I am sure. She used to go for walks, but she stopped. I think probably because many of her "illnesses" were convenient excuses to hide in her ugly cluttered mauve room behind a screen.   
But of course when one is seriously depressed you don't feel like doing anything at all, and many people do exactly what she did. Hide from the world in a safe place where you don't have to do anything.
I am still convinced that there was very little wrong with her. A serious case of hypochondria despite what everyone says.

 

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« Reply #381 on: March 09, 2010, 06:43:33 AM »
I am still convinced that there was very little wrong with her. A serious case of hypochondria despite what everyone says. 


I agree with you. There is also one symptom of depressions called panik attacks which my sister has. Nothing is wrong with her heart, its completely healthy but she always suggests it herself and gets heartaching than. Placebo-effect...

Does anybody know if Alexandra had postpartum depressions?

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« Reply #382 on: March 09, 2010, 06:55:23 AM »
She definitely had panic attacks, and many people who have them are convinced they are having a heart attack. The symptoms are virtually the same.  I think she was confusing her panic attacks with a weak heart. If one reads the diaries of President Poincare, and many others, she very often had attacks during state dinners, at the Opera ( Meriel Buchanan) and could not bear loud noises.
I dont buy the "enlarged heart" story. How could they diagnose a medical condition like this in those days ?

Her husband must really have loved her, I could not imagine having to put up with all of this, and have the stresses of being in control of the largest country in the world as well.
No wonder the poor man just gave up in the end.

 

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« Reply #383 on: March 09, 2010, 07:00:50 AM »
Yeah he did love her very much despite her health "issues".    Oh yes I think going for walks does wonders even though she had bad legs you would have thought commonsense that she would at least go for small walks instead of relying on being in a cart with the children walking beside her. 

Makes me think she lost a lot of muscle tone in her legs from little use.

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« Reply #384 on: March 09, 2010, 08:25:23 AM »
But she followed the medical advice of the day.  We recognize now the need for exercise and fresh air to maintain one's physical and mental wellbeing, but at that time, rest indoors was the order of the day. 

Believe me, people don't "choose" to isolate themselves in pain and anxiety all day, every day.  And she didn't either.  She did what she thought she could handle.  She had Nicholas, her daughters, and her doctor all telling her not to overdo it, not to overtire herself.

She was also afraid of being a burden on Nicholas, and her daughters - her letters indicate that.

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« Reply #385 on: March 09, 2010, 09:23:04 AM »
She was seriously depressed, chronically. The worst thing one can do is lock yourself up in a room, as she did. Going out and doing things, meeting people,  helps enormously.

I disagree with you here. it perhaps helps people who aren't shy-but Alexandra was very, very shy, and if you feel depressed and you're shy going out and meeting people is awfully scaring & you simply can't handle that(and I can speak so from my own expierience). of course it's not good to lock oneself up in a room, but sometimes one isn't strong enough to bear one's problems & you want to do the easy thing.

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Re: Re: Alexandra and her Health Part 2
« Reply #386 on: March 09, 2010, 09:41:44 AM »
FA it was a genuine question,  not some prank.  Some people don't read or know much of  cyrillic.   It's like me who can't read Kenji because I don't understand it  Even though I have a lot of Japanese Doujinshis.

Back on health,  yes I think the gum guard would have helped her.

Lord,

I did not mean the QUESTION was a prank....I meant whoever "told her" it was something filthy was having a joke...

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« Reply #387 on: March 09, 2010, 10:12:25 AM »
Even though 'rest' was very much in vogue in Alexandra's day, fresh air was also very much the thing, at least in Britain, so sitting outside in the fresh air was frequently prescribed, along with going away to milder climates where one could sit outside in  winter.

I quite accept that when in the grip of depression the temptation is to hide yourself away, but there comes a point when one has to steel oneself and make an effort to stop doing that. Alexandra, for all her protestations that she did not want to burden her husband and daughters, did burden them - all the business of one of the girls being constantly with her, for example. There is a theory that there comes a point when family patience etc becomes counter-productive, because it allows the afflicted individual person to carry on doing what they are doing with absolutely no incentive to help themselves. This is most obviously applicable to alcoholics (who quite often have endlessly patient wives or husbands who prevent them from having to face up to the consequences of their actions). It is called co-dependency, I think.

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« Reply #388 on: March 09, 2010, 01:15:14 PM »
Lord,

I did not mean the QUESTION was a prank....I meant whoever "told her" it was something filthy was having a joke...

Ah,  oops.

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« Reply #389 on: March 09, 2010, 02:53:22 PM »
Sarushka has done some marvelous research into Alexandra's health! She posted entries from diaries on Griff's divine Empress Fights Back part 5 thread!

Here is a just one post of entires that highlights just how extraordinarily fragile Alexandra F appears to have been!

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=14561.msg411173;topicseen#msg411173

In fact you will find later that Alexandra F spends a great deal of time laid up too!

Ann has made a good point about Alexandra burdening others with her 'ailments'. Lying around in 'Nicky's room' is not exactly considerate IMHO!

I know she did the lying around in 1917 when they were in captivity which must have made a difference, but the 1913 entries give a fascinating insight into Alexandra F's seeming obsession with her health! I do wonder if she wasn't a classic example of an Hypochondriac!


 
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