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Re: Re: Alexandra and her Health Part 2
« Reply #405 on: September 17, 2010, 08:56:49 PM »
Question: Was Alexandra still taking Veronal while in Ekaterainburg?
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« Reply #406 on: September 25, 2010, 02:58:18 PM »
I did a search and found that diabetes has already been suggested as a possible cause of Alexandra's illness(es), but the only reason I saw anyone name for this suspicion was the size of her children at birth. I too wonder if she might not have been diabetic, for this and a few other reasons. I myself am diabetic and have done a lot of research into the disease since being diagnosed in April of this year.

Here are some of the reasons I think that Alexandra may have suffered from complications due to an undiagnosed and untreated case of diabetes.

1) Leg problems--This is the main reason for my suspicions that she may have been an undiagnosed diabetic. One of the biggest complications of diabetes is neuropathy - nerve damage due to the degeneration of the blood vessels which nourish the nerves. This can lead to loss of function in certain body parts. In diabetics, the feet and legs are most often affected because they are the last place in the body to receive blood.

2) Vision problems--Diabetics are at high risk for retinopathy (the same concept as neuropathy, but applied to the retinas), glaucoma, and cataracts. Diabetics are generally urged to have their eyes checked at least once a year for these reasons, and even diabetics who don't have serious eye problems generally experience some change in their eyesight.

3) Heart problems--We know that Alexandra frequently complained of problems with her heart. While I'm aware that there's debate as to whether or not she really had these issues, I'd like to point out that heart disease is also a possible complication of diabetes.

Of course, all of this is merely speculation based on research I've done, my own experiences, and those of my father, who is also diabetic. But then again, this entire thread is just speculation since we'll never really know.

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« Reply #407 on: September 26, 2010, 09:20:30 AM »
I thought hemophiliae were the cause of  size of the children at birth. ?

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« Reply #408 on: October 10, 2010, 11:53:27 AM »
@ LeahMayhem you make an excellent point about diabetes, although I'd think Alix was too young to have developed all these complications it's true that if mistreated - which would be the case here - it could have caused all these problems. how very interesting!

do we know if any relatives of alix, or herparents/ siblings developed diabetes at some point of their lives, perhaps?
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Re: Re: Alexandra and her Health Part 2
« Reply #409 on: October 10, 2010, 08:22:03 PM »
Interesting idea, as I too have diabetes (Type 1).  If she did have it, Alix was in trouble, because insulin was not developed until the 1920's.
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« Reply #410 on: October 11, 2010, 09:02:47 AM »
How young is too young?  Alix was 46 when she died.

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« Reply #411 on: October 11, 2010, 10:45:23 AM »
well, she was middle age by the standards of her times, but her health problems started some years before ... I believe pregnancies in such a sort time one from the other and the all the stress she had did the job.
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Re: Re: Alexandra and her Health Part 2
« Reply #412 on: October 27, 2010, 03:43:06 AM »
I've been wondering lately(and I'm sorry if this has already been asked-I didn't manage to go through the entire thread) whether Alexandra's heart problems could have been caused by the diphtheria, from which she suffered in 1878. could this be that the toxin damaged the heart which lead to such troubles in later years?
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Re: Re: Alexandra and her Health Part 2
« Reply #413 on: October 27, 2010, 04:58:35 AM »
@ LeahMayhem you make an excellent point about diabetes, although I'd think Alix was too young to have developed all these complications it's true that if mistreated - which would be the case here - it could have caused all these problems. how very interesting!

do we know if any relatives of alix, or herparents/ siblings developed diabetes at some point of their lives, perhaps?



if diabetes is not diagnosed and not treated one`s body is ruined very fast. i personally had an acquantance who died at 32 as a result of diabetes complications.she had no idea that she suffered from this disease and by the time it was found out it was too late to save her.

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Re: Re: Alexandra and her Health Part 2
« Reply #414 on: October 27, 2010, 05:05:57 AM »
It was rheumatic fever rather than diphtheria which was well known for causing heart problems - for this reason patients were subjected to weeks of absolute bed rest. An aunt of mine born in 1914 had dud heart valves from rheumatic fever as a girl, though she lived a pretty active life and lasted until she was 76. She was a bit of a creaking gate but certainly not invalidish like Alexandra.

But I will check my 1911 manual for Royal Navy sick berth attendants to see whether it has anything to say about heart trouble arising from diphtheria.

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« Reply #415 on: October 27, 2010, 09:11:34 AM »
as far as I know the toxin in diphteria affects the heart & kidneys(if I remeber correctly)-which makes the illness dangerous. from what I've read patients with diphteria may suffer from heart failure. I've been wondering whether it may have caused some permanent damage.
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« Reply #416 on: October 27, 2010, 09:25:25 AM »
A quick look at wikpedia (not the most authoritative source, I know) suggests that diphtheria may cause heart and kidney failure, but doesn't indicate (on my reading anyway) that there can be permanent damage. The section on rheumatic fever does, by contrast, refer quite expressly to permanent damage to the heart valves. Ultimately, I don't know, but will see what my 1911 book has to say on the subject.

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« Reply #417 on: October 27, 2010, 09:53:05 AM »
I'm waiting for your response then :)
I do know that rheumatic fever cause permanent damage to the heart-having it myself, but considering how many illnesses may cause permanent damage(even influenza-it's complications though; still, it's not considered very dangerous) that I started to think that maybe that was the reason of Alexandra's problems(or at least some of them). alas, having no medical training I can only speculate & wait for answer...
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Re: Re: Alexandra and her Health Part 2
« Reply #418 on: October 28, 2010, 03:18:47 AM »
My sick berth attendant book has a lot to say about the possibility of permanent heart trouble arising from rheumatic fever, but not diphtheria.

Some years ago my mother developed heart trouble in her early 70s, and the consultant asked her whether she had had rheumatic fever. She did say that she had had diphtheria and scarlet fever, at the same time, but the consultant was more interested in the possibility that she might have had rheumatic fever without anybody recognsing it.

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Re: Re: Alexandra and her Health Part 2
« Reply #419 on: October 28, 2010, 12:32:02 PM »
Poor Alix, her health had been bad for years, and it kept her inside a lot.  That is one reason the Russian people didn't like her, they didn't know she was sick.  They thought she was some stuck-up snob who didn't want anything to do with them.  The woman could not catch a break.
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