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Re: Rare Pictures XI
« Reply #225 on: December 03, 2011, 03:32:30 AM »
Wounded officers on the third one are Sergei Melik-Adamov, Soloviov, Dmitri Shakh-Bagov and Konstantin Popov)))

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« Reply #226 on: December 03, 2011, 07:02:26 AM »
Wounded officers on the third one are Sergei Melik-Adamov, Soloviov, Dmitri Shakh-Bagov and Konstantin Popov)))

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« Reply #227 on: December 03, 2011, 10:27:32 PM »
Most of them are INDEED rare to me. Thanks for posting them! :D

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« Reply #228 on: December 03, 2011, 11:21:44 PM »
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Dmitri Shakh-Bagov

That would be Olga's "Golden Mitya"! Love, Power, and Tragedy even claimed her "Golden Mitya" was never identified.   ;)

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« Reply #229 on: December 04, 2011, 01:17:15 AM »
I think this one was taken at the same time ...or close to it.


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« Reply #230 on: December 04, 2011, 01:30:49 AM »
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Dmitri Shakh-Bagov

That would be Olga's "Golden Mitya"! Love, Power, and Tragedy even claimed her "Golden Mitya" was never identified.   ;)
It's certainly him! Look here: http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=1266.0
I think this one was taken at the same time ...or close to it.
Indeed, blessOTMA! Here's this one signed http://pics.livejournal.com/saltkrakan/pic/0000ad44
It helped me to identify soliders. I'm sure there're the same persons.

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« Reply #231 on: December 04, 2011, 09:03:11 AM »
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Dmitri Shakh-Bagov

That would be Olga's "Golden Mitya"! Love, Power, and Tragedy even claimed her "Golden Mitya" was never identified.   ;)

At the time LPT was published, that may have been true.
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« Reply #232 on: December 04, 2011, 07:11:27 PM »
That's true. Do you have any idea how this information was found out?

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« Reply #233 on: December 04, 2011, 09:39:14 PM »
That's true. Do you have any idea how this information was found out?


I learned about Shakh-Bagov from from matushka, but I don't know whether she was the first to discover "golden Mitya's" identity. Here's her earliest posts I could find about him:

Lanie, I have very few information about Melik-Adamov, I hoped you did, but something I can say. We know about Malama, and, for Olga at this period, "Dimitri" (Malama?). But our imperial nurses had different crushes, or just friendly and close relations with other wounded: "Dimitri", Shakh-Bagov (do you heard this name?) and the mysterious Kassianov we read about in her diary for Olga, Malama, and as I guess, this Melik-Adamov for Tatiana. Some words about him in the shorts memories of Ivan Beliaev. I try to make a "translation": "grand-duchess T. N. had also "her" wounded, the ugly Melik-Adamov, who was too praporchshik (sorry, I do not know the english for this rank)  of the Erivanskogo Regiment. He was jooking all the time, and young people meet his jokes with pleasure. He was jumping on one leg (this other was in gips) and played crocket with great enthousiam".
An entry of the diary of V. I. Chebotareva, for 30 of july 1915: "... then were sitting [with us] Melik-Adamov and Chakh-Bagov." I continue in russian, I think you will understand: "skolko poeticheskoi laski vnosit Tatiana Nikolaevna! [...] Kak ona horoshaya, chistaya i glubokaya devushka! molodost tianet k molodosti, i kak svetatsia ee glazki! Ujasno horoshaya".
As you see, very poor information. And it does not changing anything, just an interesting detail. Chebotareva had a very good relationship with Tatiana, and her diary is really interesting to know the second of the 4 sisters. It was published by her daughter (Valentina Porphirevna Chebotareva-Bill) in an american journal in russian: Novy Journal, numero 181, New York, 1990. I wrote the editor (they have a site), I wanted to buy it, but had no answer. As you are in America, perhaps will you have more chance to find this numer of "Novy journal", perhaps in a library. In that case, please, tell me!
I am sorry, it is problably not the right place to post this...

I am  not about her fist love, not about her second. I am about a man for whom she had tender feelings, not being totally, as I guess "in love": Chakh Bagov, I already spoke about. I found about him some information in the shorts memories of Ivan Beliaev, a wounded, and in the precious Chebotareva's diary. Perhaps would that be intersting for someone.
From Beliaev: "The GD ON had "her" wounded, the young brigader of the Erevan's Regiment, a lovely young man, very shy, as a little girl. It was evident that he was totally in love in his nurse. He became very red every time he was looking at her. (... Chakh-Bagov returned to the war). Lovely ON became very sad, (...), her eyes was red because of the tears. How is that all understandable, so nice!
(Chakh-Bagov was once more wounded and came back to the lazaret) And I remarked that ON was in good mood, that her eyes were bright as usual...

From Chebotareva's diary, in July 1916.
ON seems to be seriously attached to Chakh-Bagov, and it is so pure, so naive, without any hope. She is a strange, original girl. She do not want that anyone know her feelings. It was evident only with very tenders notes in her tone, when she spoke to him, when she for example told him (such and such). When he returned to the war, the poor girl sat more than an hour and was sewing, saying nothing, her nose in the sewing-machine.
She also related somewhere that when they received the letter where he asked for coming back to the lazaret, Olga took the letter, and in a great joyce throw it with "hourrah" or something like that. We found also his name in the Empresse's letters, she wrote that the girls were cleaning the instruments with Chakh-Bagov and others.
It was in 1915 and 1916. I do not know the first name of this young officer, and did not find any other information. I think he was an armenian, but I am not sure at all.
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Re: Rare Pictures XI
« Reply #234 on: December 08, 2011, 11:47:34 AM »
I can not say I "discovered" that Mitia the golden one was named Shakh-Bagov. I read those documents, made this hypothesis. Then read "Sisters of mercy" and this conclusion was evident. So I guess every person who read the same documents and books with the same desire t find who actually was the mysterious Mitia did the same conclusion! I was only the first to write about this on the AP forum, nothing more. Then came people like dear Antonina who searched the question more, found pictures and so on. At the moment the main question is still which destinity had Dimitri Shakh-Bagov after the revolution. Was he in the emigration? Did he die at the civil war fighting in the White army? We really do not know. Olga Nikolaevna wrote him letters. If S-B survived, it would be interesting to know did these letters survived together with him. Probably not. Will we know one day?

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Re: Rare Pictures XI
« Reply #235 on: December 11, 2011, 06:59:34 PM »
seems close to the same time

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« Reply #236 on: December 13, 2011, 08:29:15 AM »
blessOTMA, I agree. And all of the photos, where you can find at the same time Mitia, Melik-Adamov, the short bald officer... And others.

http://pics.livejournal.com/saltkrakan/pic/0000begy/g12
http://pics.livejournal.com/saltkrakan/pic/00008q8x/g9
http://pics.livejournal.com/saltkrakan/pic/0000dwqd/g14
http://pics.livejournal.com/saltkrakan/pic/0000g4c9/g16

It must be summer 1915.

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« Reply #237 on: December 13, 2011, 11:36:47 AM »
Great finds!
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It must be summer 1915.
Yes, since those are in Empress Alexandra's photo album from 1915.
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Re: Rare Pictures XI
« Reply #238 on: December 13, 2011, 11:53:27 AM »
Thank you  Antonina for those photos! The first two I believe are reversed.  AP member Nicola posted a great tip for realizing this...Imperial Russian metals were worn on the left side. If they appear on the right, the photo has been reversed. It's amazing how often one sees this. The thrid photo is the largest file of that photo I have seen. It is from a album  of photos the family made  for charity.

Your forth photo is totally new to me ! Thank you.
 
Here are some similar pics in large size .
 
Alexandra  OT with wounded : http://s48.radikal.ru/i121/1107/0a/271055242676.png    Dr. Botkin is on the right

Alexandra with OT wounded : http://i052.radikal.ru/1107/eb/dfd474551cc5.png
 
Olga and Tatiana with wounded : http://s12.radikal.ru/i185/1107/c9/4d8caf428689.png

( One can see the screen from the family's own sick room in the background)
 
 Alexandra taking  the famous photo of Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
: http://s009.radikal.ru/i310/1107/02/24a6e4139fbf.png
 
Alexandra with  OT getting ready for a croquet game: http://i048.radikal.ru/1107/a9/3516bf760e8b.png
 
Playing croquet: http://s13.radikal.ru/i186/1107/c6/3b1f764f8d7b.png
 
 
As you say one often sees the same recovering soldiers...and one can nearly plot thier recovery from the photos...they go from bed , to robes.  to uniforms as they heal.
 
It's always interesting to see  what uniform Alix and the girls are wearing. I use to think the plain white ones were from the time before they earned the right to wear the red cross....but if this the summer of 1915 ( and I believe that is correct ) then it is well past that time. Perhaps on days they worked mostly at nursing, they wore the plain uniforms and for times of official photo taking , they wore the full Red Cross uniform ? It would be interesting to know why the diffrent uniforms are worn when they are 

Ah!  while I was typing , nena says it was 1915...then it's official! =)

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Re: Rare Pictures XI
« Reply #239 on: December 13, 2011, 10:33:30 PM »
Oh, thank you, I always forget about the revers!
Your second photo is autumn 1916 (there is a signed version).
Yes, it's interesting. I even thought about starting a special thread for lazaret photos (dates, identification, etc). Does it exist?
I'm not sure, but I always believe AOT used the white robes for work and the Red Cross uniform for official events and photosessions.