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« Reply #360 on: March 08, 2013, 11:04:31 AM »
Agree Chris!That's the proper order,nothing else.They'll be ok as they are doing OK already!
No doubts,anything else is really ragslike...we could choose to stand above that sort of thing.. :)
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« Reply #361 on: March 08, 2013, 04:42:56 PM »
Hi,

My take on this is:
Who would I stand in a crowd and wait for?
The Queen and Prince Philip
William and Catherine
Princess Alexandra

The rest, I wouldn't waste my time.  I have no problem (qualms) with Princess Anne, Prince Edward & Sophie and Prince Harry;  but I wouldn't go out of my way to see them.
The Gloucesters and the Kents have done their duty and I guess, continue to do so - but I wouldn't bother seeing them either.
The rest are a waste of space and money.

Larry

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« Reply #362 on: March 09, 2013, 02:45:57 AM »
And the Prince of Wales??  I think he has done a decent job as heir over the past 50 years.  Despite his rather complicated personality I believe he has done his best to serve the public good over the years. 

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« Reply #363 on: March 09, 2013, 09:31:36 AM »
Hi Darius,

Charles and Camilla - I wouldn't give 2 farthings for them.

Every day, I give thanks that The Queen is still with us....  Long may she reign...

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« Reply #364 on: March 09, 2013, 11:01:14 AM »
I think the public hasn't treated the POW with justice. He's much more of an intellectual than his parents or children. He's done his duties well. He seems a great father after all. Like Edward VII he has a different vision for the monarch than his mother. I think history may well rest on his side as it did with E VII. the public has been largely focused on his rather sad personal life. I'm happy he's finally with the woman he loves and finds contentment. Whether he reigns or not he's left his mark.

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Re: Prince William and Catherine, Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
« Reply #365 on: March 09, 2013, 04:57:55 PM »
This is getting a bit off topic. This line of discussion would probably be better of on this thread:

Current Perception of the Windsors and the Future of the Monarchy
http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=6834.540
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« Reply #366 on: March 18, 2013, 12:13:44 AM »

The Duke has been appointed a personal Aid-de-Camp of The Queen
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« Reply #368 on: April 05, 2013, 09:34:48 PM »
The Count and Countess of Strathearn visited,ao,Glasgow,and they met with the Duke of Rothesay at Dumfries House...grin..:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=04-04-2013%20Glasgow


http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=04-04-2013%20Dewar


courtesy PPE
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« Reply #369 on: April 06, 2013, 04:00:32 PM »
I'm confused. If William and Kate are known as the Earl and Countess of Strathearn while in Scotland, which is one of William's subsidiary titles...if William has a son, that son would be given the Earl of Strathern title from birth. So, if both William and his son are in Scotland...they'd both use the same title? This sounds wonky to me. From my understanding, only the PoW (and his consort) has a Scottish title while in Scotland.

Can someone provide some insight into this title confusion for me?

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« Reply #370 on: April 06, 2013, 04:51:38 PM »
That's an interesting question. What title do the Earl/Countess children usually get? I know in Sophie and Edward's case, Louise and James got Viscount (I think) and Lady. Hopefully someone here knows the answer to your question.

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« Reply #371 on: April 07, 2013, 02:45:37 AM »
Under the 1917 Royal Warrant, children of a monarch, male line grandchildren and the eldest son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales are HRH Prince/Princess from birth. Presumably this will be extended to cover a female heir apparent under the succession to the Crown Bill currently going through Parliament.

Whether the Earl of Strathearn's eldest son has a specific Scottish title depends on whether or not the Duke of Rothesay has a third Scottish title. Normal practice with peerages is that the eldest son uses his father's second title by courtesy (i.e. he is called by it), and the eldest son's eldest son uses the third, provided, of course, that there is one. There were problems in 1914 when Arthur of Connaught's son (the future second Duke of Connaught) was born, as no one realised that, following practice up to then, he should have been HH Prince Alasdair of Connaught, and the Duke of Connaught didn't have a third peerage. Things then drifted and the young man ended up using his mother's second title (she was Duchess of Fife in her own right), and was known as the Earl of MacDuff until he succeeded his grandfather in 1942.

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« Reply #372 on: April 08, 2013, 08:47:22 AM »
Actually Her Majesty has already taken care of the matter of titles for the children of William and Catherine, and extended it to all children born to the couple, not simply the eldest son (or eldest daughter).

“The QUEEN has been pleased by Letters Patent under the Great Seal of the Realm dated 31 December 2012 to declare that all the children of the eldest son of The Prince of Wales should have and enjoy the style, title and attribute of Royal Highness with the titular dignity of Prince or Princess prefixed to their Christian names or with such other titles of honour.”


Any courtesy titles used by William's offspring doesn't have anything to do with Charles' titles anymore - on the day William was given his own peerages he stopped drawing his title from his father (ie.  he stopped being HRH Prince William of Wales) and started to hold them in his own right (by the will of the Sovereign).  That principal extends to William's children - they will draw their styling from their father, not their grandfather.  William's children will each officially be HRH Prince / Princess X of Cambridge.  But as to any courtesy titles the firstborn may use (if any), that is an interesting question!  It probably won't be resolved until we know if its a boy or a girl.  

Charles being known as Duke of Rothesay in Scotland is a legal / constitutional matter - that dukedom was legally held by the heir to the Scottish throne (same as Duke of Cornwall in England).  That is why William was never Duke of Cornwall or Duke of Rothesay himself (even though under normal peerage rules he would have been able to as firstborn son and heir).  I suspect that William being known as Earl of Strathearn in Scotland has no similar legal basis, but is rather being used informally (no differently than if Andrew visited Inverness and was referred to as its earl).

A firstborn girl will not automatically gain a courtesy style because the Letters Patent creating William's peerage included the standard form "heirs male".  The Queen would have to issue new letters placing a daughter in the line of succession for William's titles for her to be able to use his subsidiary title by courtesy.  But if the child is a boy, he will automatically be heir apparent to William's titles and entitled to use a subsidiary title by courtesy.  Whether he does or not - and which title he uses - depends on the preference of his parents and the Queen (under normal practice each noble family chooses which subsidiary title is used by the heir  - and it isn't always the highest ranking one).

We shall just have to wait and see how this plays out.  My bet - no courtesy titles will be used by any of William's children - they will stay prince / princess of Cambridge until the present reign ends.

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« Reply #373 on: April 08, 2013, 11:04:03 AM »
Very useful information. Thanks for all that! I did not know HM had already taken care of it all, although it doesn't surprise me she has done.

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« Reply #374 on: April 12, 2013, 03:36:20 PM »
The lastest favourite in the betting on the royal baby name is "Alexandra"

http://www.royalhistorian.com/princess-alexandra-of-cambridge-the-history-of-a-potential-royal-baby-name/