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« Reply #405 on: July 09, 2013, 02:01:36 PM »
In the case of Viscount Severn he is using the title by courtesy as the son of any other British Earl would do. He is not a peer himself.
Were he a HRH - custom would dictate that he would not use the courtesy title as his HRH would be his own style and ranks higher so does not need to use a courtesy title  - HRH Prince James of Wessex.
The children of Royal Duke's who are the grandchildren (or great grandchildren which will only apply to the Cambridge's children) of a sovereign are usually HRH and take their style from their father's peerage unless they bear a title in their own right
So Edward VIII during his great grandmother's reign was Prince Edward of York, during his grandfathers Prince Edward of Wales, during his father's HRH The Prince of Wales.
The of Wales, or of Cambridge, or of York is just easier than HRH, Prince... of Great Britain and Northern Ireland etc - it also easily identifies whose offspring they are.
Under the George V letters patent only the eldest grandson of the Prince of Wales is entitled to the HRH style - the other issue would be styled as those of a Duke.
The Queen was making sure that all the Cambridge's children born during her lifetime will get the style they would eventually gain in later life as first the grandchildren and then the children of a reigning sovereign.



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« Reply #406 on: July 09, 2013, 02:04:59 PM »
Thanks for the information, as I suspected a HRH doesn't use a courtesy title.  Makes sense.

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« Reply #407 on: July 13, 2013, 09:46:17 AM »
Hi,

As the birth of "thee royale babee" approacheth,  here are some old royal names that may be considered - other than the ones now bandied about:

Herleva     Harold
Matilda      Edmond
Emma       Edgar
Edith         Thomas
Judith        Lionel
Cecily        Humphrey
Blanche     Roger
Constance  Robert
Arabella     Owen
Sophia      Jasper
Dorothy(ea)   Guilford
Sarah        Rupert
Marjorie     Rudolph
Ingrid        Roderick
Irene        Leopold
Violet        Ernest
Alma        Anthony

And lastly, my name Lawrence if a boy;  and Laura if a girl.....

Larry

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Re: Prince William and Catherine, Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
« Reply #408 on: July 13, 2013, 05:37:48 PM »
In the case of Viscount Severn he is using the title by courtesy as the son of any other British Earl would do. He is not a peer himself.
Were he a HRH - custom would dictate that he would not use the courtesy title as his HRH would be his own style and ranks higher so does not need to use a courtesy title  - HRH Prince James of Wessex.
The children of Royal Duke's who are the grandchildren (or great grandchildren which will only apply to the Cambridge's children) of a sovereign are usually HRH and take their style from their father's peerage unless they bear a title in their own right
So Edward VIII during his great grandmother's reign was Prince Edward of York, during his grandfathers Prince Edward of Wales, during his father's HRH The Prince of Wales.
The of Wales, or of Cambridge, or of York is just easier than HRH, Prince... of Great Britain and Northern Ireland etc - it also easily identifies whose offspring they are.
Under the George V letters patent only the eldest grandson of the Prince of Wales is entitled to the HRH style - the other issue would be styled as those of a Duke.
The Queen was making sure that all the Cambridge's children born during her lifetime will get the style they would eventually gain in later life as first the grandchildren and then the children of a reigning sovereign.

Thank you, thank you, thank you, mcdnab. I have posted about this very same topic a few times now and have been unable to obtain a clear answer. It totally makes sense. So, I won't get all bothered and annoyed anymore when the media and others refer to Prince William as the Earl of Strathearn while in Scotland or the Baron Carrickfergus while in N. Ireland. Seriously, thank you for your explanation.

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« Reply #409 on: July 14, 2013, 10:19:44 AM »
Both the Earldom of Strathearn and Baron Carrickfergus are titles William was granted along with the Dukedom of Cambridge - when in Scotland or N Ireland he uses the title that relate to those countries - as his father does (Duke of Rothesay when in Scotland rather than Prince of Wales).

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« Reply #410 on: July 19, 2013, 01:05:29 PM »
I've just read reports that the Duke and Duchess abruptly left the Middleton family home this afternoon bound for London.  No news yet on whether they are returning to Kensington Palace, or heading directly to hospital.  Fingers crossed - this might be the start.

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« Reply #411 on: July 19, 2013, 06:25:02 PM »
I've just read reports that the Duke and Duchess abruptly left the Middleton family home this afternoon bound for London.  No news yet on whether they are returning to Kensington Palace, or heading directly to hospital.  Fingers crossed - this might be the start.

I was so excited when I read your post I immediately began checking the news channels and online reports to see if anything was being mentioned about the incident.   All I found was this report of the local firefighters near Bucklebury responding to a call from the Middleton home this afternoon to rescue one of Kate's dogs that got it's head caught in a gate.   Seems all is well now - the pup is fine  and  . . .  no baby yet! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/kate-middleton/10191968/Firefighters-rush-to-rescue-pet-dog-at-Duchess-of-Cambridges-home.html

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« Reply #412 on: July 22, 2013, 01:55:07 AM »
The Duchess of Cambridge has been admitted to hospital to have her baby!!!


http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/kate-goes-into-labour/story-fni0cx4q-1226683283511

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« Reply #413 on: July 22, 2013, 02:12:54 AM »
Oh dear Lord!!!!
We have just had a midwife on the news explaining to us plebs what "early labour" is all about.
I am running for the hills..............
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« Reply #415 on: July 22, 2013, 09:24:19 AM »
I am beyond EXCITED ! ! !

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« Reply #416 on: July 22, 2013, 10:03:30 AM »
Hopefully, we'll hear the good news soon.
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« Reply #417 on: July 22, 2013, 10:42:00 AM »
Poor Kate, in labour on the hottest day of the year too.
What really boils my wotsits is this horrendous media circus, "why hasn't she had it yet...do you think she has been induced" etc. etc.
And of course, once the child is born the media will be rolling out some bliddy so-called experts on breast feeding/childcare/how to get rid of  that post baby tummy ( I have given up with that bit after 26 years cos everything has "gone south") :-).
Grrr,I do feel sorry for William and Katherine but on the other hand, I am rather looking forward to seeing Niagra Falls being lit up...blue for a boy, pink for a girl.
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« Reply #418 on: July 22, 2013, 02:38:06 PM »
ITS A BOY. 8 lb 6 oz born 16.24.
Many congrats.
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« Reply #419 on: July 22, 2013, 02:39:27 PM »
Yes, Congratulations! For he's a jolly good fellow!