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Re: Prince William and Catherine, Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
« Reply #480 on: October 26, 2013, 02:04:29 PM »
Wouldn't George, as future Defender of the Faith, have to be baptized Anglican though? I could see other children belonging to a different denomination but not the future monarch.
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Re: Prince William and Catherine, Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
« Reply #481 on: October 27, 2013, 04:38:00 AM »
Defender of the Faith is actually Defender of the Catholic Faith! It was bestowed on Henry VIII by the Pope of the day for his Treatise on the Seven Sacraments.

Strictly speaking, George does not need to be baptised at all. It's only necessary  that he is never a Catholic and professes the Anglican faith at the time of his accession.

But it makes perfect sense to have him baptised as an Anglican.

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Re: Prince William and Catherine, Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
« Reply #482 on: October 28, 2013, 02:01:26 PM »
They saved the best for last...new christening photo!!! And, it's a beauty!

http://www.newmyroyals.com/2013/10/new-christening-photo-of-prince-george.html

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Re: Prince William and Catherine, Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
« Reply #483 on: October 28, 2013, 09:40:45 PM »
Tears! There are tears in my eyes!!!
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Re: Prince William and Catherine, Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
« Reply #484 on: October 29, 2013, 03:20:06 PM »
They saved the best for last...new christening photo!!! And, it's a beauty!

http://www.newmyroyals.com/2013/10/new-christening-photo-of-prince-george.html
It's precious, isn't it?   I would love to see some of the personal family photos they've taken of the little prince.   Maybe someday.

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Re: Prince William and Catherine, Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
« Reply #485 on: October 30, 2013, 04:50:46 PM »
It was a magical moment caught in a happy snap. I think in time we will see some of those photos too. However, the photos I would very much like to see would be those of the newly refurbished and decorated Apartment 1A! I was really hoping that wee baby George's christening party would have taken place at their new digs instead of at Clearance House. I just have to be patient and keep calm and carry on.

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« Reply #486 on: November 22, 2013, 11:15:28 AM »
Have to agree, what a lovely photo!

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Re: Prince William and Catherine, Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
« Reply #487 on: November 28, 2013, 10:34:35 AM »
Defender of Faith was granted to Henry VIII by the Papacy for his affirmation of the faith against the teachings of Luther in the early 1520s
It was of course defunct when he was excommunicated after he split from Rome.
The current title is the one granted to the crown in perpetuity by the English Parliament in the 1540s and of course now refers to them as defender of the reformed religion - it is not usually used outside the British Isles (Although I think Canada have retained it within the Canadian royal styles).

A future King or Queen does not just have to be "in communion" with the Church of England they also have by law to swear to preserve and protect the protestant reformed religion on their accession (this oath now only applies to the United Kingdom) the Oath is not always included in the Coronation service (but must happen and usually takes place at the first accession council)

In terms of religion - the main aim of the Act of Settlement was to avoid having a monarch who was spiritually answerable to a higher power on earth (ie the Papacy). It was not just framed through religious prejudice and distrust but tries to answer some problems that even now would affect a Roman Catholic who succeeded to the British throne if they were permitted by law to do so.

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Re: Prince William and Catherine, Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
« Reply #488 on: December 03, 2013, 05:15:32 PM »
*******TIARA ALERT*******

Accompanied by her husband, the Duke of Cambridge, the Duchess of Cambridge attended the Diplomatic Reception at Buckingham Palace wearing The Papyrus Tiara (it's been referred to as other names) ! ! ! This is the first time since her wedding that the duchess has worn a tiara in public. And what is super fantastic is that, for me in any event, is that this tiara was in the possession of Princess Margaret and has not been seen since her death, which means that her either Margaret or her children willed it back to HM. Being a royal jewel fanatic, this is wonderful news! Hopefully, we will see lots of pictures of the duchess from tonight's reception! Fingers crossed.  :)
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Re: Prince William and Catherine, Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
« Reply #489 on: December 05, 2013, 11:18:39 PM »
Ah yes I saw something about that on Facebook from Cosmopolitan. The next day they posted an article about the fact that the Duchess came out in a ponytail. They had it titled as BREAKING NEWS. I love Catherine as much as the next royal watcher but that was just ridiculous.

Anyway, I was excited to see her out with a tiara, especially since I recognized it (even though I couldn't put a name to it) I'm hoping she wears some more. She wears them well.
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Re: Prince William and Catherine, Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
« Reply #490 on: January 08, 2014, 07:39:39 AM »
Mild arguments with my family lately have led me to post on this thread and ask a question: Will Catherine indeed be Queen of the UK?

I reasoned yes - she will be the queen consort. And my family insists that it's a no because she is not royal and she has the title of Duchess of Cambridge instead of princess. My mother and aunt were adults (I was a small child) and were great admirers of Diana during her prime. If Diana received the title Princess of Wales, why would Kate not also be called the princess?

They also wondered why she would get to be the queen consort when Philip is only known as a prince. My speculation was that he was known simply as the prince consort because Elizabeth is a queen regent and perhaps she doesn't want someone with the title king. But again, this was all my own speculation and I have no idea if I'm right on that or not.

I've done some research - trying to find out whether or not she would indeed succeed to be queen consort, but there were mixed opinions everywhere. So I decided there was no better place than the AP forum to ask this question.
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Re: Prince William and Catherine, Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
« Reply #491 on: January 08, 2014, 10:02:48 AM »
They don't think she will be queen? Tell them that a serf's daughter (William's 8 x great grandmother) became reigning Empress of Russia (Catherine I) back when "blue blood" still meant a lot.

My speculation was that he was known simply as the prince consort because Elizabeth is a queen regent

QEII is a queen regnant (a queen who reigns herself, as opposed to a queen consort, which is what Catherine will be). (A regent is someone, male or female, who reigns on behalf of someone else, for example a dowager queen on behalf of her underage son or daughter. When that child is declared of age and ascends the throne, she will become queen mother, also if she is the mother of the king, because she is a queen (consort) who is the mother of the monarch.)

A country can thus have several queens at the same time (the UK had 3 after QEII's accession), but only one king.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2014, 10:28:12 AM by Превед »
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Re: Prince William and Catherine, Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
« Reply #492 on: January 08, 2014, 10:54:33 AM »
And my family insists that it's a no because she is not royal and she has the title of Duchess of Cambridge instead of princess.

Her official style is now HRH, so she is royal, although not born royal.
British royal spouses are not created princesses, like royal spouses on the Continent are nowadays. They are thus only reffered to as princesses if they are married to the Prince of Wales (courtesy title as "princess consort") or are princesses in their own right (like the late Princess Marina). Otherwise they are referred to by a courtesy title from their husband's dukedom (like Catherine) or, if he doesn't have a dukedom, by a courtesy style based on their husband's princiary title (Princess Michael (of Kent)).

The last style was in common usage in all Europe in the 19th century, also for born princesses, and that's why you will see QV's daughter referred to as "the Princess Henry (of Battenberg") or her granddaughter Victoria Melita as "the Grand Duchess Cyril of Russia", just as any ordinary married Jane née Miss (Jane) Jones would be referred to as Mrs. Smith. or, if her husband had a high-ranking official position, (especially on the Continent) Mrs. General Smythe / Madame la générale Lefèbvre / Frau Generalin Schmiedth / мадам генеральша Kузнецовa.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2014, 11:24:13 AM by Превед »
Берёзы севера мне милы,—
Их грустный, опущённый вид,
Как речь безмолвная могилы,
Горячку сердца холодит.

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Re: Prince William and Catherine, Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
« Reply #493 on: January 08, 2014, 11:42:41 AM »
just as any ordinary married Jane née Miss (Jane) Jones

Of course Miss Jones if she was the eldest daughter, otherwise Miss Jane (Jones).
But is it the senior (eldest) spouse in the family, regardless of the line's seniority, who is the Mrs. Astor and not just Mrs. William Astor - or is it the spouse of the head of the family, of the senior line, who can claim that style? :-) A bitter war was fought over that, every bit as lethal as the battles over precedence in European courts.

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« Last Edit: January 08, 2014, 12:04:12 PM by Превед »
Берёзы севера мне милы,—
Их грустный, опущённый вид,
Как речь безмолвная могилы,
Горячку сердца холодит.

(Афанасий Фет: «Ивы и берёзы», 1843 / 1856)

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Re: Prince William and Catherine, Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
« Reply #494 on: January 09, 2014, 06:23:21 AM »
Mild arguments with my family lately have led me to post on this thread and ask a question: Will Catherine indeed be Queen of the UK?

I reasoned yes - she will be the queen consort. And my family insists that it's a no because she is not royal and she has the title of Duchess of Cambridge instead of princess. My mother and aunt were adults (I was a small child) and were great admirers of Diana during her prime. If Diana received the title Princess of Wales, why would Kate not also be called the princess?

They also wondered why she would get to be the queen consort when Philip is only known as a prince. My speculation was that he was known simply as the prince consort because Elizabeth is a queen regent and perhaps she doesn't want someone with the title king. But again, this was all my own speculation and I have no idea if I'm right on that or not.

I've done some research - trying to find out whether or not she would indeed succeed to be queen consort, but there were mixed opinions everywhere. So I decided there was no better place than the AP forum to ask this question.

Elizabeth Lyon-Bowles was also a commoner and she was the king's consort so you,  won the argument :)