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Re: Family Possesions
« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2011, 09:56:28 AM »
That is the list on the main AP website.

http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/YurovskyList.html

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Re: Family Possesions
« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2011, 11:00:03 AM »
Am i so stupid that i didn't notice it? O_o i'm worried.
Thanks so much, FA!

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Re: Family Possesions
« Reply #32 on: August 09, 2011, 04:00:14 PM »
Here is an interesting side note found in The Myths and Legends of Surviviors under the thread Anna Anderson and Anastasia, page39 with my post 580 and I wrote:

>>I haven't picked up the Peter Kurth's book ANASTASIA.  THE RIDDLE OF ANNA ANDERSON.  I did this morning to look for what he had written, if anything, about FS.  I happen to turn to  pps. 332-33 about Rudopf Lacher, who was an Austrian prisioner of war in Ekaterinburg who served as the personal orderly to Yurovsky.  And,  he was the last living witness of Yurovsky's "boys".  He, however, wasn't part of the executioners.  Anyway, he refused any interviews, however, he did say, just ask AA if she remembers "Rudolf".

When AA was asked if she knew a "Rudolf", and I quote:
She did not remember "Rudolf".

Is this just one more person AA should have remembered?  Or had it just been too long for her to remember?


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PS  Forgot to mention the pipe.  Lacher had  "a gold case, a handkerchief or two, and a small cigarette holder, shaped like a tobacco pipe.  It had belong to the Tsar."  When shown to AA, she expressed her father's  "pipes were darker than that".   It wasn't a pipe but a cigarette holder, the kind Nicholas II used in his last days.

Those who wanted to believe AA was GD Anastasia,  searched why AA would not reconize the holder and proved her father's "pipe" was darker, probably dark amber.  

The point was, to me, that it wasn't a pipe it was a cigarette holder, and, it had been the one GD Anastasia's father had used while in the Impatiev House.<<
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My point here is:

Lacher and others had taken items.

In V.V. Alekseyev's  THE LAST ACT OF A TRAGEDY there is mention of various Romanov items the Bolsheviks tracked down a number of people who had taken items.... after the Reds had retaken Ekaterinburg a year later.

In July of 1918 Yurovsky had gone off to Moscow and the house was not guarded, so,  thievery did occur.  The Whites  enter Ekaterinburg and took control of the Ipatiev House  a few days later.

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Re: Family Possesions
« Reply #33 on: August 10, 2011, 12:30:38 AM »
Very interesting Bear.... i mean, i knew the guards someway went on stealing from the IF, but i had never heard of such a precise account, so thanks.
To be honest, i HAVE a copy of The Riddle of Anna Anderson. I read it. But, maybe because i've never believed anderson (even before the last two bodies were found) or because when i read the book i was not looking for details about Ekaterinburg days as i'm doing now, i can't recall the episode. That's my thank you again.
The list Forum Ad provided me is great; but still it is the list of ALL valuables belonged to the IF. What i wondered is - wether only the list of only those items Yurovskij put in a case has survived. You'd probably answer me: That list is included in the long list on AP.  I'm sure it is. But i was curious to know wether that only list has survived - even if i'm quite sure it isn't.
That was because i'm skeptykal describing the IF wearing all those valuables in the AP site list. I thought that, if i could find Yurovskij's list, i would be sure that those particular items were those the IF really wore. But, again, thi is my maniacality for details.

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Re: Family Possesions
« Reply #34 on: August 10, 2011, 09:30:53 AM »
Yurovsky's list is everything Yurovsky HAD.  Nobody made of list of what the family took with them. it was all a big secret. Nobody will ever know exactly what they actually "had".  Yes, there was much pilfering going on, and the murderers were very sloppy and still left jewels behind which Sokolov found...

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Re: Family Possesions
« Reply #35 on: August 10, 2011, 12:47:02 PM »
I assume that there were locals who  took things from the house, just as I assume some of the Whites, also,  took items  during their occupation of a year.

 FA is referring to the bag of jewels Sokolov found in a nearby village in a peasant's  home cellar buried in the ground.

MORE THAN 29 YEARS AGO, when doors about the Royal Family were still locked and sealed,  Peter Kurt wrote ANASTASIA.  Many of us bought it but didn't read it completely because we didn't think Anderson was the grand duchess, but after my joining AP,  I did read it, in fact,  more than once.  Many books followed.  King and Wilson became friends of Kurt, who gave them all his information because he has always been honest and open about his research.  King and Wilson wrote the FATE OF THE ROMANOVS and RESURECTION OF THE ROMANOVS....

Like FA has said:  >>Nobody made list of what the family took with them, it was all a big secret.  Nobody will ever know exactly what they actually "had"<<

Nor will anyone ever know the complete truth of what happen in the early morning hours of 17 July 1918....

Because of Kurt, Radzinsky, Summers and Mangold, Telberg and Wilton, many others,  even Richard Guys, ,  we can step back into time and see  the lives  of Nicholas II, his family, servants,  even a young woman who became known as Anna Anderson,  the Bolsheviks and the Whites during a period of time known as The Reign of Red Terror, and, in many cases the stories of the authors.

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Re: Family Possesions
« Reply #36 on: August 10, 2011, 01:34:53 PM »
The exhibition catalogue for "Faberge Revealed" at the Virginia Museum of Arts has an article about a white and yellow star shaped Faberge frame in the VMFA's collection. The frame was recently identified by Faberge researcher Kieran McCarthy of Wartski as being one taken into exile by the Imperial Family and was confiscated in the Ipatiev House. The frame was catalogued by Yurovsky as item #16 (See APTM Main Site: List of Valuables Taken by Yurovsky from the Romanovs)

"16. Gold frame, star shaped, with white and yellow enamel with portrait of Al[exandra] Fyod[orovna]"

The frame actually contains a photograph of Grand Duchess Tatiana, so not sure if it originally held a photo of Alexandra or if the photo was misidentified on the list.

http://www.vmfa.state.va.us/uploadedImages/VMFA/Exhibitions/2011/Faberge/47-20-352_Star-Frame_600.jpg

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« Reply #37 on: August 10, 2011, 01:45:09 PM »
  For those who have the opportunity to visit the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts, Richmond, Virginia (USA), I would urge them to do so. Their Faberge collection contains five of the Imperial Eggs. With sale of the Forbes' collection, the Virginia grouping of Imperial Eggs, is now said to be the largest outside of Russia. Usually one of the eggs is always available to view, if the others happen to be on loan. I frequently visit there when I am nearby in travels.    Regards,  AP.
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Re: Family Possesions
« Reply #38 on: August 10, 2011, 02:26:37 PM »
THANKS to everyone from the bottom of my heart.
Thanks FA and Bear, i really thought it wasn't a secret anymore; thanks for you explanations and sorry for my ignorance about it.
Thanks rgt and AP for all those interesting infos!

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Re: Family Possesions
« Reply #39 on: August 23, 2011, 10:15:19 AM »
The writer of the FS biography is Peter Kurth, not Peter Kurt.

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Re: Family Possesions
« Reply #40 on: August 23, 2011, 10:29:19 AM »

 FA is referring to the bag of jewels Sokolov found in a nearby village in a peasant's  home cellar buried in the ground.

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Actually, Bear, not just the jewels Sokolov found in several peasant's homes, but also the jewels crushed and burnt during the stripping of the bodies and attempted burning...they found a lot of that stuff out by the mine.

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Re: Family Possesions
« Reply #41 on: August 27, 2011, 09:35:17 PM »
 For those who have the opportunity to visit the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts, Richmond, Virginia (USA), I would urge them to do so. Their Faberge collection contains five of the Imperial Eggs. With sale of the Forbes' collection, the Virginia grouping of Imperial Eggs, is now said to be the largest outside of Russia. Usually one of the eggs is always available to view, if the others happen to be on loan. I frequently visit there when I am nearby in travels.    Regards,  AP.

I am heading up there soon. They have the 5 on exhibit (from the Lillian Thomas Pratt collection) plus they have 2 or 3 that they have borrowed. I just finished seeing 2 at Hillwood so that would make about 10. Aren't there only 13 in the US?

I will definitely keep my eye out for the frame.
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