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Again for serious claimants
« on: January 08, 2005, 06:22:33 AM »
Hi all.

If there is someone claiming to be descendant of survivor of Romanovs family or survivor himself/herself, or also incarnation if you believe into reincarnation by any kind, please post here. Also after seeing how previous topics failed, I want to make some "rules" to prevent it here,so:

1) Please post only if you are claimant yourself or if you know personally some claimant. There are plenty of topics of second-hand  messages, or about something read in books- I don't wanna it here, you can discuss books and articles in another topics.

2) Please don't talk about well known claimants here- ie. as Anna Anderson or Heino Tamett, they too have their own topics.

3) Always try to give description as much as you can-as why are you holding some knowledge, for example emotions accompanied with it,give some sort of time-direction (as:I started to feel this way from 1936,after this and that happened in my life) what can it give to you(ie. as: I can solve my problems better and I am free of depressions, I understand better history etc.),how much are you interested into taking scientific proofs that fit your case- what supports your claims and what not-AND what are your feelings with it. Try to speak by your own words and journalistic style you like. Always give proper names of persons etc. or let us know who you are talking about- clear names are basics to be understood by others and prevent later misunderstandings.

4) For those,who aren't claimants nor related people to claimants: Please give questions and let the claimant answer them, later correct historical background or add your gut feeling about situation. I want this topic to be as calm as it can be,with questions and answers and search for truth.

5) Don't claim something you don't mean seriously and that you wouldn't want later discuss.

6) Remember,we can come to that claimants have "only" some strong relationship, or that it is shared feeling among them, or that they know some knowledge through "psychic" ways, or that they use it as metaphor to their current problem, but didn't recognize it is a metaphor, 'cause it is strong..etc. I want to have here logics AND intuitives also, because in questions of claimants there need to be both emotions and both knowings: if someone lived some life, he/she will be also feeling it,and if on forums aren't emotions discussed directly,you wouldn't know about them- and they are as important as everything else,because when we live emotions are still with us and everybody has own style of feeling and thinking. So I deeply ask you all for tolerance and support. You may not support it as historical facts etc., but please support the way of discovery.  

Hopes this helps to sign why I am starting this topic..

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Re: Again for serious claimants
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2005, 10:07:25 AM »
I will leave this up, but ONLY with this following and unconditional requirement:
You MUST offer hard evidence to support your claims, birth records, dna testing, forensic evidence etc etc. and not just blurry old photos of innocuous Eastern Eurpean looking people who could be anyone.

If you refuse because of the "book deal" or "movie contract" or any other "personal reasons" you will not be allowed in. PERIOD.

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Re: Again for serious claimants
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2005, 11:43:27 AM »
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I will leave this up, but ONLY with this following and unconditional requirement:
You MUST offer hard evidence to support your claims, birth records, dna testing, forensic evidence etc etc. and not just blurry old photos of innocuous Eastern Eurpean looking people who could be anyone.

If you refuse because of the "book deal" or "movie contract" or any other "personal reasons" you will not be allowed in. PERIOD.


Aah, nono Forum Admin, I didn't meant it as strongly. I just wanted to tell that I want people respecting also intuitions of others or something by that kind, not offending just because "something like it wasn't in books"- just..not having lack of evidence, but also not having lack of empathy. It was discussed in other topics about claimants to a degree that some people just made fun of anybody claiming to be someone, whether in past-life or not... I have NOTHING against scientific evidence, historical research etc.etc. -but what I am missing is also emotions surrounding claimants, and if some claimants visit here, I wish to know them, I wish to know what they have to tell by own mouths, without fear of being called liars etc without being heard.I hope that now it is clear. I'm willing to understand more deeply more sides of "these's" people's minds, accounts of something are fine, but without opinions that is kind of empty IMHO...Huh, maybe I've got into expressive difficulties here, but I hope it will be more clear to everyone-what I would like to provoke is speaking from EXPERIENCES also. It is something I miss here on forum.

Is that really as bad to miss some more..personal and experience-based insights into something,that here it is isn't allowed? If I broke some rules, I am really sorry. If you want me to go,I will leave the forums or close this thread ;)

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Re: Again for serious claimants
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2005, 12:07:37 PM »
cherrysmile222,

If you put it that way, I can assure you, you won't be getting too many serious claimants here... if that's what you really want.

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Re: Again for serious claimants
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2005, 12:08:40 PM »
I do not want you to "go" or leave the forum. Everyone is welcome here. I see you are Czech, so perhaps you english is confusing me a little bit.
Let me be clear, NO ONE can be a "serious claimant" genuine WITHOUT hard evidence.  Period.
I do not mean to limit the discussion only to the hard evidence, but I will insist that the hard evidence be produced at the outset of any discussion, once that hurdle is clear, discuss whatever you want to.

Without the "hard evidence" this discussion would frankly be no different than the "fantasy" thread where people just play.  I hope you can see the difference.

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Re: Again for serious claimants
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2005, 12:33:27 PM »
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I do not want you to "go" or leave the forum. Everyone is welcome here. I see you are Czech, so perhaps you english is confusing me a little bit.
Let me be clear, NO ONE can be a "serious claimant" genuine WITHOUT hard evidence.  Period.
I do not mean to limit the discussion only to the hard evidence, but I will insist that the hard evidence be produced at the outset of any discussion, once that hurdle is clear, discuss whatever you want to.

Without the "hard evidence" this discussion would frankly be no different than the "fantasy" thread where people just play.  I hope you can see the difference.


Ah,so maybe I have used wrong word ::): I more meant people,who claim it seriously..or..mean it seriously.. Or I dunno how other call it.

Ahh,my English is confusing maybe, excuse me please.  :D I'm now just student of high school and yet I don't catch some subtle meanings of words, but I promise I will try :large grin:

Oh,of course I do see the difference. And still I hope I will see some new ideas popping from someone's head. I don't know exactly what I am searching for, but I feel if there's a "mystery" about some lives or so,it can be explained. From all that I have read about people who claim to be various relatives of Romanov's family i didn't make an opinion till now..  everything were just things avaible on internet, so I am more making own opinion and I am really in the total start. So if I am on the start, I wanna also most "open" possibilities that are there- later I could make own opinions and stand by them clearly,but first I need to face various possibilities to make any.

Who knows, maybe this will lead me more to interest of history, or long-life research, or anything other..but if there's some probability to find new people with new stories, it is fine way to start. Maybe we speak about same thing, Forum Admin,but just using different languaging ;)

By the way..What's your name if I can ask? ;)Because calling you "Forum Admin" is fine but quite coldy, of course it is perfect label on what you are doing for members here etc. but still i can't get away of feeling I would be pleased to know some name of concrete person ;)

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Re: Again for serious claimants
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2005, 12:37:08 PM »
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cherrysmile222,

If you put it that way, I can assure you, you won't be getting too many serious claimants here... if that's what you really want.

Helen


I little bit improved the terms I used, so maybe now it will  be more clear. Also I am hoping that some will come, but maybe it would be better to visit section dedicated to past-lives ;)

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Re: Again for serious claimants
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2005, 01:16:12 PM »
I am Rob.

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Re: Again for serious claimants
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2005, 05:16:40 AM »
Ah so, okay. Should I then delete this topic,if it is hard to find evidence on such things? ;DI don't wanna it to haunt here with nonsenses ;D

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Re: Again for serious claimants
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2005, 09:22:32 AM »
I think that if there were any REAL missing Romanovs that the family would know about them by now.  ;)  I don't think they would want to be associated with that sort of thing.

As for the psychic thing, it gave me a good idea. I'm going to start a Royal Puzzle thread to test for these abilities (if that's ok with the Forum Admin)...just a fantasy fun thing! Read my mind and solve the puzzle.

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Re: Again for serious claimants
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2005, 11:10:15 AM »
The following is a photo showing the mass movement of human beings escaping war and headed eastward which they thought was safer grounds.



If one or more of the IF family escaped the CHEKA, they might well have vanished into this same kind of mass migration headed eastward which they thought was safer grounds.

In such a world of chaos,  anything was possible.  

A member of the IF could have been swallowed up in this world.  And, it may be that some descendant may be discovered.  But, as the years pass,  the possibility of finding a single survivor's story is growing less and less likely.

Unlike the common persons seen in this photo,  the IF, if they and their rescuers were among these migrating eastward,  the Bolshevik  would not hestitate to use all their abilities to track them down and execute them.

It is  not likely that any members of the IF survived but sometimes truth can be far far stranger than fiction and one or two might have survived a few hours, a few days or years after the eventful night.

The photo is from WITH THE ARMIES OF THE TSAR, A NURSE AT THE RUSSIAN FRONT 1914-18 by Florence Farmbourough.

Here is another:



This group of people had just lost the horse that was taking them to a safer place.

One of these faces could have been Anastasia or Maria's or Alexis, if taken at a different place and a different time.

Life was terrible and cruel in these times.

Until we find the two missing bodies,  we will have to wait before we can  write the "final chapters" about  the last hours or days or years of the two missing.

Claimants may come and go, but the truth will be discovered, we all hope.

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Re: Again for serious claimants
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2005, 08:37:35 PM »
CherrySmile222,
I would happily talk to you about this topic, but I fear most of the people here would make fun of me or not take me seriously. But if you wish to, you can e-mail me sometime and we can talk.
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Re: Again for serious claimants
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2005, 10:41:11 PM »
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Until we find the two missing bodies,  we will have to wait before we can  write the "final chapters" about  the last hours or days or years of the two missing.

Claimants may come and go, but the truth will be discovered, we all hope.

AGRBear


Bear, with all the advances in the past 20 years in finding out the truth, we can only hope that the NEXT 20 will be equally fruitful.

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Re: Again for serious claimants
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2005, 05:11:50 PM »
I have a serious interest in the life of the Royal Family;  but no specific memories as to reincarnation;  As for the similarities, if I identified myself with one of the daughters, that would be Olga.
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Re: Again for serious claimants
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2005, 05:37:51 PM »
And here we go again......