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Re: Queen Victoria & Prince Albert--Photos and Information
« Reply #375 on: December 29, 2007, 06:17:21 PM »
Thanks for bringing this in where it belonged. Ok. I posit that Albert was already dying when he made his infamous trip to Cambridge to scold (putting it lightly) Bertie about Nellie Clifden and the necessary purity of the Heir. Catching a "chill" in the rain doesn't - even with modern diagnostical hindsight - mean anything beyond a post-event panacea for the media. Poor Albert was in terrible straits for at least a year before he died and the posthumous stories of overwork and rapid aging aren't quite the ticket.

From the sounds of it, Albert's health had never been very good, and being a workaholic for so long, his immune system was such that he would catch and be greatly affected by any disease.  As for what he actually died from, either typhoid or stomach cancer could both be culprits.  Typhoid was a common killer, and came close to killing three of his sons (Bertie, Alfred, and Leopold) in the following years.  Cancer would explain Albert's continued poor health.  Or, he could have been suffering from some sort of primary infection and been killed by contracting influenza or some other respiratory illness on top of it.  There was never an autopsy done on Albert, was there?

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« Reply #376 on: December 29, 2007, 06:36:20 PM »
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stories of overwork and rapid aging aren't quite the ticket.

I believe I read somewhere (on the forum or in a book, can't remember which) that Albert was extra overworked (more than his normal-self) because he was in charge of the Duchess of Kent's will after she passed. 

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Re: Queen Victoria & Prince Albert--Photos and Information
« Reply #377 on: December 29, 2007, 09:06:11 PM »
Thanks for bringing this in where it belonged. Ok. I posit that Albert was already dying when he made his infamous trip to Cambridge to scold (putting it lightly) Bertie about Nellie Clifden and the necessary purity of the Heir. Catching a "chill" in the rain doesn't - even with modern diagnostical hindsight - mean anything beyond a post-event panacea for the media. Poor Albert was in terrible straits for at least a year before he died and the posthumous stories of overwork and rapid aging aren't quite the ticket.

From the sounds of it, Albert's health had never been very good, and being a workaholic for so long, his immune system was such that he would catch and be greatly affected by any disease.  As for what he actually died from, either typhoid or stomach cancer could both be culprits.  Typhoid was a common killer, and came close to killing three of his sons (Bertie, Alfred, and Leopold) in the following years.  Cancer would explain Albert's continued poor health.  Or, he could have been suffering from some sort of primary infection and been killed by contracting influenza or some other respiratory illness on top of it.  There was never an autopsy done on Albert, was there?

Maybe he sufferred from both aliments,

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« Reply #378 on: December 30, 2007, 01:11:32 AM »
'Overwork' alone could not have given him all the symptoms he complained of, especially the chronic low grade fevers he seemed to suffer from.  Nor would shock from the Bertie/Clifden liasion either.  I don't even think QV thought that once her initial grief had settled.  I don't recall of reading about any significant weight loss or ascites (excess fluid) which can occur with end stage stomach cancer, does anyone else? 

Then again, if he had untreated typhoid, he could have suffered from that for 3-4 weeks beforehand but I think he would have been more acutely ill with it at the end whereas he just seemed to sort of fade out, didn't he?   

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« Reply #379 on: December 30, 2007, 08:46:39 AM »
'Overwork' alone could not have given him all the symptoms he complained of, especially the chronic low grade fevers he seemed to suffer from. 

That's why I wondered about the possibility of Albert having a chronic infection (perhaps a sinus infection, or one in his bowels) that was weakening him, then catching a secondary infection (such as influenza) on top of that.  This combination would probably make an otherwise healthy person very sick, but to an overworked Albert, it was a deadly combination.  In another era, antibiotics may have helped him greatly, if either of the infections were bacterial.

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« Reply #380 on: December 30, 2007, 03:12:55 PM »
Good point Eejm. It could have been something as simple as a chronic tooth abcess.
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« Reply #381 on: January 02, 2008, 09:09:30 AM »
The doctors couldn't have helped.  I note that Sir James Clark had an interesting history in diagnosis - he thought Keats was mistaken about his tuberculosis (until he died, when Clark somehow appeared to have predicted it all along) and thought Lady Flora Hastings was pregnant (she had a tumour on the liver from which she died).  Given his past history it's not altogether surprising that he and his colleagues managed to kill their most distinguised patient.

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« Reply #382 on: January 03, 2008, 01:41:22 AM »
The Lady Flora Hastings misdiagnosis was a medical AND a moral one unfortunately, but it must be looked at in the context of the times as must the death of the Prince Consort also.

Tools for the diagnosis of malignancies were very limited then and most often even the most skilled doctors could only make a cancer diagnosis (and not always then either) at a surgical procedure.  Even now, many cancers are difficult to detect and diagnose with the most sophisticated techniques and equipment as so many poor patients and their families know only too well. 
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Re: Queen Victoria & Prince Albert--Photos and Information
« Reply #383 on: February 09, 2008, 06:32:41 PM »
Victoria & Albert married 168 years ago tomorrow (Feb 10):





Queen Victoria’s dress was of rich white satin, trimmed with orange flower blossoms. The headdress was a wreath of orange flower blossoms, and over this a beautiful veil of Honiton lace, worn down. The bridesmaids or train-bearers were also attired in white. The cost of the lace alone on the dress was £1,000. The satin, which was of a pure white, was manufactured in Spitalfields. Queen Victoria wore an armlet having the motto of the Order of the Garter: "Honi soit qui mal y pense,” inscribed. She also wore the star of the Order.

 The lace of Queen Victoria’s bridal dress, though popularly called Honiton lace, was really worked at the village of Beer, which is situated near the sea coast, about ten miles from Honiton.  It was executed under the direction of Miss Bidney, a native of the village, who went from London, at the command of her Majesty, for the express purpose of superintending the work. More than two hundred persons were employed upon it from March to November, during the past year.

 The lace which formed the flounce of the dress, measured four yards, and was three quarters of a yard in depth. The pattern was a rich and exquisitely tasteful design, drawn expressly for the purpose, and surpasses anything that has ever been executed either in England or in Brussels. So anxious was the manufacturer that Queen Victoria should have a dress perfectly unique, that she has since the completion of the lace destroyed all the designs. The veil, which was of the same material, and was made to correspond, afforded employment to the poor lace workers for more than six weeks. It was a yard and a half square.

Prince Albert met Queen Victoria and conducted her to her seat on the right hand side of the altar. The Archbishop of Canterbury advanced to the rails; next her Majesty and Prince Albert approached him and the service commenced.  While the service was proceeding, her Majesty was observed looking frequently at Prince Albert, who was standing at her side. In fact she scarcely ever took her eyes off him till she left the chapel.

 The appearance of the large body of spectators was brilliant in the extreme. Bridal favors were universally worn, and the profusion of diamonds and other gems, the glittering state robes and costly decorations, formed a display of the most magnificent character. The altar was magnificently decorated. The pillars supporting the galleries were gilt, as was the communion table and the gothic railing which surrounded it.



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« Reply #384 on: February 10, 2008, 02:52:22 AM »
Yesterday I spent a lovely time visiting St Pauls Cathderal. It certainly is a beautiful and imposing building. Apparently Queen Victoria disliked it and thought it "Dark, dirty and undevotional" !! Sounds exactly like the sort of comment she would make I thought! It was so interesting to see where her carriage stopped in 1897 for her diamond jubilee and it's even commemorated on the pavement, the exact spot, with the date!
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Queen Victoria's bloomers...
« Reply #385 on: July 30, 2008, 03:37:33 PM »
going once, going twice, going, going, gone. Sold to the woman from Canada...and no, not me. I swear nothing is sacred anymore. Not even the Queen's underoos...:-)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/30/queen-victorias-underpant_n_115908.html

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Re: Queen Victoria's bloomers...
« Reply #386 on: July 30, 2008, 03:43:39 PM »
I can't believe the girl is wearing the Queen's underwear!  ;D. Too funny! Are you sure you didn't bid on them? lol

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« Reply #387 on: July 30, 2008, 03:49:35 PM »
I didn't want to admit I was beaten out on the bloomers and the chemise. My auction skills are atrocious. However, I did fancy the lovely nightgown. Again...outbid...:-)

I did happen to see Emeraldeyes and Laura Mabee trying to out bid each other of the chemise     :-X


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« Reply #388 on: July 30, 2008, 03:58:50 PM »
These things come up at auction now & then, the same provenance;; from  past servants of the old girl. Bide your time, you will get another chance to  bid war over the queen's  underthings.

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« Reply #389 on: July 30, 2008, 04:10:25 PM »
Oh, yipee...Heck I'm going for the big prize...I've always wondered how her tent awing thing would look in my backyard...complete with servants (to go with my once a month maid service) and tea sets.

I can just hear the old gal..."We are not amused"

I wonder if Queen Elizabeth knows her great-great grandmama's "unmentionables" are being sold to the highest bidder. It is just to goofy to fathom.

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