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Re: Queen Victoria & Prince Albert--Photos and Information
« Reply #465 on: September 22, 2011, 06:46:17 AM »
Poor Albert, breathing his last amid all that crowd!

My mother's deathbed gathering comprised my father, myself and the vicar (my brother didn't arrive in time). Enough, I think.

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« Reply #466 on: November 16, 2011, 01:34:37 PM »


Memorial to the Prince Consort by Edward Corbould



Prince Albert by Sir William Ross
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Re: Queen Victoria & Prince Albert--Photos and Information
« Reply #467 on: December 15, 2011, 02:50:16 AM »
December 14 2011 is the 150th anniversary of the death of Prince Albert.

R.I.P.

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Re: Queen Victoria & Prince Albert--Photos and Information
« Reply #468 on: January 13, 2012, 10:36:45 AM »
I am very interested in this man that wanted a Liberal Europe.  I need to read a biography on him---till then I thought I could learn more about him here.  He seems to have been an excellent husband and father.  I want to know more!

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« Reply #469 on: January 13, 2012, 11:27:17 AM »
Helen Rappaport has just written a book..Magnificent Obsession. I haven't read it yet but have heard many glowing reviews about it. That might be a good start.
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« Reply #470 on: January 13, 2012, 05:01:44 PM »
Thanks, I will look for that book!

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« Reply #471 on: January 13, 2012, 09:14:22 PM »
There is also one by Stanley Weintraub, "Uncrowned King", published 1997. I've read that. Need to read it again. Very informative.

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« Reply #472 on: January 14, 2012, 11:14:25 AM »
Thanks, for the great biography ideas!  I'm reading 3 books right now and was wondering if there is good info on Albert on this site?  I have searched the Victoria and Albert posts--not much there...all about Victoria.  I am really interested in Albert as a father.  From what I have read, he seemed to be incredibly present with his children for a royal father.  His hope for a Liberal Europe is fascinationg to me. His moral character helped shape his children and their children and so on.

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« Reply #473 on: January 21, 2012, 11:04:11 AM »
This may not be the right place to ask this... Why did Victoria's relationship with Alice deteriorate?  I know that they had a difference of opinion about Victoria's choice of husband for Helena.  What I do not understand is how Alice went from savior to her mother to not wanting her around?  Alice was an amazing woman---was the queen jealous of all that Alice was doing in Darmstadt?
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« Reply #474 on: January 22, 2012, 07:42:28 AM »
This may not be the right place to ask this... Why did Victoria's relationship with Alice deteriorate?  I know that they had a difference of opinion about Victoria's choice of husband for Helena.  What I do not understand is how Alice went from savior to her mother to not wanting her around?  Alice was an amazing woman---was the queen jealous of all that Alice was doing in Darmstadt?


Queen Victoria never demonstrated any jealousy of that kind whatsoever in relation to any of her daughters.  She was, however, very jealous of her 'rights' as a parent, which, in fairness to her point of view, was that of a sovereign as well and any of her children who interfered in her family dispositions did so at the risk of a disruption in a good relationship with her.  QV wrote in great detail to Vicky after the row in 1866 over Lenchen of Alice having "injured herself [with the Queen] by the way in which she spoke to many people about Lenchen and her remaining in England - and made great mischief with Louise, and both her brothers.  Then, after originally at Darmstadt recommending Christian as so amiable and likely to do, she abused him and spoke in a very improper way of one who bears a very high character and has high principles and is one of the kindest and best people I know.  Then she very rarely spoke kindly of poor Lenchen in her letters to me - and when she wrote, wrote bitterly to her.  In short poor Alice was jealous - not because she wished to come because that is very natural and right, but about many things.  I know people can't help that, and Alice is irritable and sharp.  I think she in not strong and those large children so quick one after another have tried her very much.  I only dreaded fresh mischief in the house and, rather than have that – which my health and nerves could not bear, for they require great quiet – I said I could not have Alice.  But if she will be loving and affectionate to all, and not speak to Louise (who unfortunately is most indiscreet and then that makes great mischief very often) about Lenchen I shall be only too happy to have her with me, for my love is ever the same – God knows.  I subscribe to every word you say about life being so short that there ought to be nothing but love and affection.  It was never written to Alice that I wished the one and not the other [Helena] to be with me – and that the two sisters were not to meet......"
As QV’s family grew older, marriages became more and more contentious as various political interests intruded and her adult children had differing views which were less and less easy to accommodate.  In these situations, relations became strained despite Alice’s strong support while Prince Albert was dying.
Whether political considerations were involved in Alice’s change of attitude towards Prince Christian, or whether some other factor was at work (we don’t have Alice’s side of the story), QV clearly became very annoyed at Alice’s attitude and there was a long breach between them.  The detailed letter to Vicky came after the Queen had mixed up the envelopes of two letters, one to Vicky in which she had complained about Alice, and one to Alice which was presumably frosty but not so explicit – something the Queen very seldom did and which perhaps demonstrated how disturbed she was at the situation.  The mix-up had one good effect however in that Alice then apparently apologised to QV’s satisfaction and relations improved – though there were explosions in the future.  However, Alice was by no means the only target and all the children had run-ins with their mother at one time or another – about her seclusion, her dependence on John Brown, alleged mischief making, etc. etc., with only Prince Arthur largely escaping and even he became exasperated with his mother at times, though was too discreet to either show it or rebel in a more obvious way.  It was sad that Alice and QV fell out in this way – but both were strong characters and clashes happen in the best of families.  And it didn't last.

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« Reply #475 on: January 22, 2012, 10:55:52 AM »
From what I understand, Albert's sons didn't inherit their father's desire to take part in their children's lives.  I wonder if this is because he was a "different" father to his children?  Vicky and Alice seemed to get the best of him?  While Bertie,Alfred and Arthur received alot of his criticism?  The younger children didn't get a chance to know him?

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« Reply #476 on: January 22, 2012, 12:23:36 PM »
I have read Weintraub.  I get the impression that Albert was obsessed with the education of his children and did not take into account that all children are different and learn at different speeds.

Albert was a proud man and he was stuck in that proverbial spot between a rock and a hard place.  He knew when he married Victoria that she would be the one in charge, but I think, for the first few years, he was disappointed in the place given to him. He had just begun to come into his own when he died.

He was amazed and impressed by Vicky and disappointed by the Prince of Wales. I think he expected all of his children to be as precocious as Vicky was and couldn't understand that no two children are alike in their learning skills and their choice of paths in life.

As to his vision of a Liberal Europe and the joining of all the royal families of Europe into one big clan, he forgot that most families can't get along at the dinner table let alone on the world stage with their advisers giving them conflicting information and advice.

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« Reply #477 on: January 22, 2012, 01:48:52 PM »
Thank you for such a wonderful explanation to my questions!  Thanks for taking the time~

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« Reply #478 on: January 22, 2012, 03:39:02 PM »
All very interesting!  Thanks for the time you put into that ---I better understand it now!

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« Reply #479 on: January 23, 2012, 09:25:32 AM »
Albert expected his sons to appreciate the education and moral upbringing he rammed down their throats. He also expected them to be like him, but only Leopold took after him to any extent. Leopold and Arthur were also lucky in that Albert died when they were eight and 11 respectively, so didn't experience the full force of Albert's 'system'.

I find it interesting that of three heirs apparent who were subjected to spectacularly rigorous educational and moral upbringings, two - Edward VII and the Kaiser, went in the opposite direction - and the other - Crown Prince Rudolf - died a murderer and a suicide.

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